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Gavin

booty bass intellectual
"dude! you know what would be like, totally CRAZY?!"

It's so easy to picture, and they would probably do it (well, maybe not Knoxville, he is attempting a "legit" film career)... All I need is a $10 million budget...
 
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Hmmm...Naomi Wolf writes decently on how Dworkin was wrong--how instead of creating a race of frothing-at-the-mouth rapists, the ubiquity of porn in the last 20 years has actually further "alienated" men (and women) from the labor that is sex, and they've retreated into the sad masturbatory world of sex-as-consumption-on-demand. So that in the end, young people are having LESS sex and enjoying it even less than ever. Can't remember the name of the book [it was actually an article, sorry] for the life of me...let me find it...

I think she might be right about this one thing. Can't STAND the whole "hooking up is damaging" line of COMPLETE BULLSHIT, tho.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
Hmmm...Naomi Wolf writes decently on how Dworkin was wrong--how instead of creating a race of frothing-at-the-mouth rapists, the ubiquity of porn in the last 20 years has actually further "alienated" men from the labor that is sex, and they've retreated into the sad masturbatory world of sex-as-consumption-on-demand. So that in the end, young people are having LESS sex and enjoying it even less than ever. Can't remember the name of the book for the life of me...let me find it...

I think she might be right.

of course she's right... i've postulated before that the more representations of sex there is in a given society, the less of it is actually going on.

representation becomes an agent of repression - an overly sexed visual culture makes people frigid and self conscious.

and the status of sex as "artificially-rare commodity"
 
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Yeah, I noticed this by the time I was 13. The more teenagers talked about their sexual prowess, the less of it they probably had.
 

Gavin

booty bass intellectual
From the Wolf article, which is better than other stuff I have read by her:

So Dworkin was right that pornography is compulsive, but she was wrong in thinking it would make men more rapacious. A whole generation of men are less able to connect erotically to women—and ultimately less libidinous.

I don't know about this. People are probably having shittier sex, but they are still having it a lot. And it's not like rape has gone away either.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
I don't know about this. People are probably having shittier sex, but they are still having it a lot. And it's not like rape has gone away either.

of course it will take a LOT more than porn to curb arguably the strongest instinct built into us. but my experience of the past 15 years compared to all those stories of the 60s i hear...
 

Gavin

booty bass intellectual
of course it will take a LOT more than porn to curb arguably the strongest instinct built into us. but my experience of the past 15 years compared to all those stories of the 60s i hear...

I think AIDS has a lot to do with it too.

Zhao I find it interesting that you are so libertine w/r/t drugs and sex but such a Puritan with food!
 

zhao

there are no accidents
I think AIDS has a lot to do with it too.
yeah fucking sucks. aids appeared the same time as i hit puberty :(


Zhao I find it interesting that you are so libertine w/r/t drugs and sex but such a Puritan with food!

used to be a lot more of one before, finding it hard to be veggetarian in germany, the land of sausage eaters... haven't found a single delish salad in all the restaurants i've been to... but in general i think it's important to eat right and be healthy in order to be able to enjoy sex and (to much less degree) drugs that much more!

People are probably having shittier sex

now is prolly good time to make the distinction between joyless compulsive fucking and... you know, the good kind. (will refrain from cliche descriptions involving words like "immersive", "oceanic", "transcendent", or "cosmic")
 
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I think AIDS has a lot to do with it too.

Zhao I find it interesting that you are so libertine w/r/t drugs and sex but such a Puritan with food!

This is where you can (deductively) prove that some drugs are better than sex, because the same people who would never have sex without a condom with a stranger will gladly share works with whoever-the-fuck.
 
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now is prolly good time to make the distinction between joyless compulsive fucking and... you know, the good kind. (will refrain from cliche descriptions involving words like "immersive", "oceanic", "transcendent", or "cosmic")

I think Gavin's right to question Wolf's completely unbacked-by-data assertions about sex quantity, but anecdotally I think it's clear that guys my age fuck compulsively and badly, for the most part.
 
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I don't know about this. People are probably having shittier sex, but they are still having it a lot. And it's not like rape has gone away either.

Have you read that one "feminist" who is trying to say that "feminazis" actually created a situation where, because it's more "ambiguous" than ever whether rape can happen because females are liberated enough to be sexually aggressive and open, these "feminazis" have made it harder to prove rape.

It's all women's fault! ALWAYS!

Can't remember her name, must have blocked it out I was so traumatized by reading this.
 
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a LOT more than porn to curb arguably the strongest instinct built into us.

Don't know if it's about quantity of porn that "curbs", more about restructuring our sexual consciousness into another mode of consumption.
 
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used to be a lot more of one before, finding it hard to be veggetarian in germany, the land of sausage eaters... haven't found a single delish salad in all the restaurants i've been to... but in general i think it's important to eat right and be healthy in order to be able to enjoy sex and (to much less degree) drugs that much more!

When I lived there, I was a vegetarian and it was so tough!! They literally didn't know what it meant, I would be sure to special order (sometimes my professors would pre-order for me on a long trip), and they'd STILL bring me something with chicken, or made with chicken stock.

I'd say--live it up while you're in the big D, experience the wares, and go back when you get home. I had a much better time when I relaxed and did that.
 
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I'm not saying I am one of these pathetic fucks. Needles cost $.75 at the pharmacy counter of any Duane Reade. If you claim poverty the pharmacist will usually dispense them for free.

I'd say not getting AIDS is worth at least $.75 a week.
 
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hmmm for about 8 months? For a summer + a few months. Lived mostly in Muenster, but travelled a lot.

This was in 2001.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
but surely you are just being casually absurd with "drugs are BETTER than sex", right? need i really point out the obvious that junkies need dope like fish needs water; and the urgency and desperation makes for the complete throwing of caution to the wind... while sex no one absolutely can not live without.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
doesn't it suck when you are extremely sexually attracted to people you can't stand in any other respect? i wish this didn't happen.
 
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