At the moment these sets are a mix of styles:Afro/Tech/Deep and so on.It's more of an attitude than a sound as such.More productions from within the scene itself need to come through before you can really put a handle on what the sound really is.
Originally Posted by mms
@ Martin - Yeah grime is definitely the reaction point, but I guess I meant that Dubstep isn't offering an alternative either when it comes to danceability and feminine pressure (i.e. fun).
In general I just mean that the argument up to know, that Funky House is the death knell of UK dance music creativity, is obviously premature. Garage became interesting and a 'London ting' when it pulled in bits of jungle, even as it was setting itself up in opposition. So it seems inevitable that this generic variety of House that's showing flashes of creativity will pull in elements of grime and dubstep to such a degree that people disaffected with those scenes will start to give it some attention and maybe try their hands at some tunes.
Anyway, I'm not there, obviously, but I don't want to write it off as boring and derivative when it has the same potential as any previous development (e.g. garage) to turn into something new and different.
I swear none of the other strands of the continuum ever developed from something this dull though.. in fact isn't the way this stuff has developed as a reaction against grime the exact opposite of how the most interesting parts of the continuum started? didn't hardcore and jungle, and dark garage and dubstep develop in response to the lack of alternatives to this sort of blandness..
Originally Posted by nomos
why shy away from calling something what it is because of what it might be later
Last edited by UFO over easy; 13-11-2007 at 02:52 PM.
Originally Posted by bassnation
sounds like you lot are really forcing this just because you want the nuum theory to carry on working, which is a terrible reason to do anything. you can't read history forwards.
Originally Posted by VI Lenin
and all this talk about how 'this audience' will shape the sound... 'this audience' went nuts to 'night' and 'match of the day riddim' at the rinse night at cargo, while they served the funky house a big steaming plate of air croissants. no-one was dancing!
until geeneus is actually *releasing* grime-inflected house, rather than just talking about doing so, i'm not that interested. like ben says, why shy away from calling something what it is because of what it might be later?
you may be right, ben. as i say, i'm not there to see it first hand.
re: the ardkore continuum - i think the only way the nuum theory works at all is if you take into account numerous other 'nuums' criss-crossing and constantly infecting each other, not to mention the various routes that hardcore took itself. you end up with more of a rhizome then. on it's own it's too linear and specific, hides too much. it's massively overused. in last year's burial thread i was arguing that if you followed a thread defined by feminine pressure rather than 'what all the boys are into right now,' you'd come up with a radically different looking 'nuum.' i see the point of the term as useful shorthand but i think it makes less sense with each year.
Last edited by nomos; 13-11-2007 at 04:05 PM.
Completely on point
Originally Posted by nomos
But even if you stick to it strictly defined then it seems to me that there is a very obvious point of comparison... the emergence of UK garage. the injection of gospel and soul via house and garage (positive, uplifting music) into a scene dominated by darker forms?
Granted I like the US house and garage which I understand influenced the early guys quite a bit more than the stuff im hearing now, but still as a point of comparison it seems incredibly close... and think how much grime has changed the face of UK dance! I for one have considerable hope in where this stuff might go, musically at least.
Last edited by elgato; 22-03-2009 at 12:55 PM.
Thanks, although Im not really sure if I can tell the difference
Originally Posted by Blackdown
From what Ive listened to on those myspace links I don't hear nothing new about this stuff, some of it's interresting but I think the grime/dubstep/nuum influence would have to get stronger while keeping it funky. Will be interresting to see future developments
Where do these sorts of nights take place?
uk garage similarly developed out of a scene that initially had few domestic productions
Originally Posted by UFO over easy
though i'm making no claims
the gap between some of the better london "funky house" and something like "left leg out" isn't so huge. some of the better dubstep around at the moment is heading towards more of a kick heavy blueprint
i think ukg grew from second room sped up house etc then it pulled in more yardish soundsystem elements, then it created its own set of stylistic rules etc,
Originally Posted by fokse vektaire xeven
mala loves house esp theo parrish etc he's got a housey thing going thru his productions for sure.
Niche sounds like 187 lockdown.
Originally Posted by Alfons
Funky sounds like a bit like a Defected compilation.
@ Tanadan - wasn't stageshow, had a house tempo and everything.
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