mistersloane
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Anatomy of a Murder - rape attitudes
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yeah it's been a bit slow for me, I just thought it was neighbours bumming a ride on the broadband!
crackerjack
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Ever since HMLT was banned. Not that i'm accusing or anything.
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No. it means previously it was legal to beat them with a thin cane. The 1891 law ruled that out.
yes that's what's weird about it. You (the viewer) are obviously not meant to empathize with the woman who is gang-raped or the woman who travolta attempts to rape. They barely register as people at all, and are basically used as symbols of his inner turmoil.
it's kinda like the way Oliver Stone talks about the Vietnam war: "In Vietnam, we fought ourselves" he said once.
IdleRich
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I see what you're saying but I'm still not convinced. For one, Scharma doesn't quote a source, for another the date he states for the law changing is 100 years after the actual source in the other one states it's illegal to beat wives. Most convincing for me though is the fact that "rule of thumb" is simply not used in that way, it means a rough measurement not a legal boundary.
crackerjack
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Not convinced that it was legal to beat your wife in Victorian times or that there's a connection between that and the "rule of thumb" phrase?
The Schama book and TV series (in which that claim is also made) was meant as a popular history, not a book for scholars - hence the lack of source references throughout. I guess that could make it less rigorous, but I'd be surprised if he was getting away with repeating old folklore without being exposed.
crackerjack
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That seems fairly conclusive and I apologise for derailing your thread, tho the gist of my original point stands and I won't forgive you for disproving my favourite TV historian.
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IdleRich
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Not at all, I think it's pretty ineteresting when you find out where something like that comes from and then interesting again when you find out how an urban myth (if indeed that's what it is) gains currency and how people use it for their own ends (though often it ends up doing them a disservice when this is discovered). It's definitely relevant to the thread anyway.
IdleRich
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In Baise-Moi (another stupid film) there is a bit where the woman is raped and someone asks why she isn't more upset, she says something like "I don't keep myself up my cunt" which I thought was a pretty good line.
What's the Almadovar one with the uncontrollable rapist (his sister normally fucks him to stop him raping other people)? Maybe Kika or something? There is a rape scene in that that is played completely for laughs, quite unusual.
Reading Giles Goat-Boy and a woman has just been raped, straight back to normal in the next scene.
What's the Almadovar one with the uncontrollable rapist (his sister normally fucks him to stop him raping other people)? Maybe Kika or something? There is a rape scene in that that is played completely for laughs, quite unusual.
Reading Giles Goat-Boy and a woman has just been raped, straight back to normal in the next scene.
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Yeah Baise Moi is nearly irredeemable. Wish I had those two hours back.
I Spit On Your Grave, anyone? The gang rape of the protagonist was supposed to be brutal and worthy of the course of vengeance that unwinds for the balance of the film, but it is highly sexualized. No question that a man was behind the camera,
As far as man-rape goes, the first thing that comes to mind is Deliverance:
Mountain Man: Now, let's you just drop them pants.
Bobby: Drop?
Mountain Man: Just take 'em right off.
Bobby: I-I mean, what's this all about?
Toothless Man: Don't say anything, just do it.
Mountain Man: Just drop 'em, boy. (To Ed - at knifepoint) You ever had your b---s cut off, you f--kin' ape? Looky there, that's sharp. Bet it would shave a hair.
Toothless Man: Why don't you try it and see? (To Bobby) Take off that little ol' bitty shirt there, too. (To Mountain Man) Did he bleed?
Mountain Man: He bled. (To Bobby) Them panties. Take 'em off. (After attacking him) Hey boy, you look just like a hog....(Holding Bobby's nose as he straddles him from behind) Come on piggy, give me a ride...Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal like a pig.
Bobby: Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Anyone familiar with Rapeman, the film based on the manga of the same name? The idea is Rapeman uses rape as a tool of revenge and/or justice. "Righting Wrongs Through Penetration". I admit I have never seen this (difficult to track down) but I have perused the untranslated manga (no I can't read kanji!).
I Spit On Your Grave, anyone? The gang rape of the protagonist was supposed to be brutal and worthy of the course of vengeance that unwinds for the balance of the film, but it is highly sexualized. No question that a man was behind the camera,
As far as man-rape goes, the first thing that comes to mind is Deliverance:
Mountain Man: Now, let's you just drop them pants.
Bobby: Drop?
Mountain Man: Just take 'em right off.
Bobby: I-I mean, what's this all about?
Toothless Man: Don't say anything, just do it.
Mountain Man: Just drop 'em, boy. (To Ed - at knifepoint) You ever had your b---s cut off, you f--kin' ape? Looky there, that's sharp. Bet it would shave a hair.
Toothless Man: Why don't you try it and see? (To Bobby) Take off that little ol' bitty shirt there, too. (To Mountain Man) Did he bleed?
Mountain Man: He bled. (To Bobby) Them panties. Take 'em off. (After attacking him) Hey boy, you look just like a hog....(Holding Bobby's nose as he straddles him from behind) Come on piggy, give me a ride...Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal like a pig.
Bobby: Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Anyone familiar with Rapeman, the film based on the manga of the same name? The idea is Rapeman uses rape as a tool of revenge and/or justice. "Righting Wrongs Through Penetration". I admit I have never seen this (difficult to track down) but I have perused the untranslated manga (no I can't read kanji!).
mistersloane
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There's quite a few rape revenge ones aren't there? Ms 45 as well along similar lines.
I've never understood John Boorman's films - The General aside - 'Deliverance' uses m/m rape as a metaphor for everything that's savage and brutal about the working class, doesn't he? Or nature or what we've lost now we live in cities or something. I don't understand his work at all.
I'd LOVE to see Rapeman if anyone knows where to get a copy, good idea.
crackerjack
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You think? I thought Deliverance was more about mocking urbanised men who romanticised the wilds, the Iron Johns before anyone called them that.
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Ripped from today's headlines
In Texas, a man sodomized his 18-year-old stepson as revenge for the rape of his 8-year-old daughter...
In Texas, a man sodomized his 18-year-old stepson as revenge for the rape of his 8-year-old daughter...