who said that?
yes i've heard other recommendations on The Artist's Way. might have to read it sometime...
creativity habits/curves/tricks
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who said that?
yes i've heard other recommendations on The Artist's Way. might have to read it sometime...
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
I think it's interesting what you are attempting with discipline and systematizing zhao. Be curious to know how that works out for ya... I guess if you have to come up with stuff for clients to meet deadlines there's got to be some work where it's kind of pseudo-creative rehashing or employment of schemes and formulas. I don't mean that in a negative way, it's probably necessary, you can't give everything the big deep push.
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swears
preppy-kei
Vincent Gallo. It's funny because he was never a big deal as a painter anyway.
But if I was ever really good at something creative, I would quit just to piss people off.
this is something i've thought about quite a bit, with many doomed creative endeavorers under my belt.
I dropped out of art school because i was really struggling to come up with any good ideas and felt creatively bankrupt also with music dedicating 5 hours a day to music for about 3 years, i realized that whilst i taught myself alot, some of those naive early attempts at making music i like more than the stuff I was making before i hung up the headphones for good.
I tend to find a certain level of detachment helps, theres nothing like pressure to focus you, but rarely do my best ideas come in such circumstances.
little strategies, disciplines or routines can be useful to overcome creative blocks, the best ideas tend to come I find with very little introspective thought and where theres no sense of consequence.
I dropped out of art school because i was really struggling to come up with any good ideas and felt creatively bankrupt also with music dedicating 5 hours a day to music for about 3 years, i realized that whilst i taught myself alot, some of those naive early attempts at making music i like more than the stuff I was making before i hung up the headphones for good.
I tend to find a certain level of detachment helps, theres nothing like pressure to focus you, but rarely do my best ideas come in such circumstances.
little strategies, disciplines or routines can be useful to overcome creative blocks, the best ideas tend to come I find with very little introspective thought and where theres no sense of consequence.
at the moment i realize i waste too much time. I'm 32, and there is a lot i want to do in this life. something has to change. i know i can do it, i've got everything necessary, but also some bad habits and baggage holding me back. 90 yard dashes are easy, but a marathon is what i have in mind -- there are no short cuts. above all it takes perseverance, one small step at a time -- it will mean saying no or at least drastically cutting down vices, sacrificing immediate pleasures (of which I am so, so fond of) for much bigger and much more fulfilling rewards in the long run. it will mean, ultimately, truly believing in myself, something much easier said then done, against all odds. fuck the rest.
yes you are right. that's why it's easy and that's why it is not that satisfying.
as much as i do enjoy the commercial work i want to eventually phase out of it and try to produce work, musical or material or immaterial, of true lasting value...
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Hahaha, I had no idea he'd ever even been a painter. That man is such a hilariously pompous arse.
swears
preppy-kei
There are a lot of people who like the IDEA of being "creative" one way or another and wear it as a pose. Guys in rawk bands all dressed up in leather jackets and skinny jeans, artists wearing grungy "bohemian" clothes, poets/writers who are constantly flinging one end of their scarf over their shoulder...
If they are such creative geniuses, why haven't they figured out ways around these cliches?
The Halls of Fame are open wide/ their rooms are always full /And some come in by the door marked Push /And some by the door marked Pull...
If they are such creative geniuses, why haven't they figured out ways around these cliches?
The Halls of Fame are open wide/ their rooms are always full /And some come in by the door marked Push /And some by the door marked Pull...
don't mean to be rude, and nothing personal, but this is a stupid question.
slim jenkins
El Hombre Invisible
Interesting thread. Someone I know packed in work at the end of last year with a view to writing 'that novel' but so far has got nowhere other than mired down in ennui and a degree of despair. The trouble is (as I see it but didn't tell her) is that she's got a masters in Eng Lit. I knew someone else who had studied Eng Lit and they were stuffed too, creatively. Both too conscious of the weight of historical precendence, methinks. Or as someone else put it, 'the anxiety of influence'.
I've never found dope or booze to be helpful with my writing, but whatever works. As for routine, mine's forced upon me by work, so when I'm not at work I write (most afternoons mid-week).
There are some good quotes in 'The Artist's Way' if nothing else, and in some ways the book is quite useful. Personally I've found more inspiration from reading what other writers say about their struggle and realising that most go through some kind of creative hell to get where they got. Yes, writing loads of rubbish included. As Lawrence Block says in his book - 'Any fool can write a poem but it takes a special kind of fool to write a novel' - in other words, you have to be masochistic, perhaps, and stubborn, yes.
Anyway, I write for the perverse pleasure in creating images/scenes etc, rather than some starry-eyed dream of publication. Although I've had one non-fiction book published.
You find your own routine depending on your natural habit (early riser, dosser, whatever). It was hardest for me when I worked full-time but now on a 3-day week it's a perfect balance. As for plotting, as someone mentioned earlier, I used to worry about that before I realised that they can be very simple, if you're more of a prose stylist. A crime book's different, obviously.
I'm all for free creativity, whether that's creating noise or simply word improv. Whether anyone wants to buy the results is another matter but if you love doing it that's all that really counts.
I've never found dope or booze to be helpful with my writing, but whatever works. As for routine, mine's forced upon me by work, so when I'm not at work I write (most afternoons mid-week).
There are some good quotes in 'The Artist's Way' if nothing else, and in some ways the book is quite useful. Personally I've found more inspiration from reading what other writers say about their struggle and realising that most go through some kind of creative hell to get where they got. Yes, writing loads of rubbish included. As Lawrence Block says in his book - 'Any fool can write a poem but it takes a special kind of fool to write a novel' - in other words, you have to be masochistic, perhaps, and stubborn, yes.
Anyway, I write for the perverse pleasure in creating images/scenes etc, rather than some starry-eyed dream of publication. Although I've had one non-fiction book published.
You find your own routine depending on your natural habit (early riser, dosser, whatever). It was hardest for me when I worked full-time but now on a 3-day week it's a perfect balance. As for plotting, as someone mentioned earlier, I used to worry about that before I realised that they can be very simple, if you're more of a prose stylist. A crime book's different, obviously.
I'm all for free creativity, whether that's creating noise or simply word improv. Whether anyone wants to buy the results is another matter but if you love doing it that's all that really counts.
mixed_biscuits
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I'll sell you a half-decent plot if you want - £20 and you can hang whatever you want on it afterwards, I don't care.
mixed_biscuits
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Properly creative people don't have any mental space to spare for the careful acquisition and juxtaposition of the supposed signifiers of a creative personality -> hence disinterested scruffiness or strictly functional dressing is the order of the day for them.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I don't think so at all. Swears is talking about people who fancy themselves as 'creative' (not, you note, people who actually *create* anything genuinely innovative) yet end up comporting themselves just like everyone else who fits more or less the same social stereotype. Just like all those 'individual' goths who dress identically to all the other 'individuals'.
My current bugbear is those Yasser Arafat headscarves-worn-as-neckerchiefs that 87% of white Londoners between the ages of 15 and 35 seem to be wearing at the moment.
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bassnation
the abyss
but not making a choice on fashion etc is still making a choice, a statement, albeit one that says that they place no value on fashion. its still a fashion statement nonetheless.
and besides, does your definition of creative people exclude fashion designers? that would be bizarre.
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noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
Being a bit argumentative for the sake of it but...
Wouldn't a 'statement' would have to be something made deliberately? You can't be making a statement about everything (horse riding, playing dominoes, taking snuff, hot air ballooning, trepanning, monkey training...) you are not particularly interested in or aware of just by not making a statement about it. Also, I don't have a horse but that doesn't necessarily mean I place no value on having horses.
Anyway, swears' question was plainly rhetorical right?
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baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
My current bugbear is those Yasser Arafat headscarves-worn-as-neckerchiefs that 87% of white Londoners between the ages of 15 and 35 seem to be wearing at the moment.
Some of them may be influenced by the Khmer Rouge...
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
...ethically as well as sartorially.
bassnation
the abyss
Being a bit argumentative for the sake of it but...
Wouldn't a 'statement' would have to be something made deliberately? You can't be making a statement about everything (horse riding, playing dominoes, taking snuff, hot air ballooning, trepanning, monkey training...) you are not particularly interested in or aware of just by not making a statement about it. Also, I don't have a horse but that doesn't necessarily mean I place no value on having horses.
Anyway, swears' question was plainly rhetorical right?
yeah, but the horse thing is not the same, not everyone has one, therefore its ludicrous to expect anyone to have a default opinion, whereas everyone has to wear clothes (unless you are a full time naturist of course). therefore not taking a stance has much more significance. to stretch your analogy to breaking point and beyond, everyone would own a horse, but you'd have a donkey, cos you don't care about horses enough to have a full size one. that seems like a massive statement to me.