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    without wanting to take down any sacred cows.

    ok, so i agree with the conceptual premise. the left is still (mostly) trapped in the petrified bourgeois values of the 1950s.

    What I don't agree with however is its conceptual premise. Do we really want to reclaim the acrid stink of the beatles and pink floyd, especially as truly psychedelic music (imo, at least a non-pastoral psychedelia) came after psych rock? What sort of futurism and destructive insurectionary alchemical transformation can exist in that hoary old genre? communists must negate the avant-garde and realise the occult. the existence of god and the transcendent will be a matter of complete indifference in the unitary collective organism. we will all be on ayahuasca!

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    yes. this is the heart of the matter as it stands. what i don't have a sufficient handle on is the marxist stuff. that comes in at a different angle to my own.

    i don't think pink flloyd is at issue. it's really just the sudden switch to that other time-track/the one in which god exists.

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    prynne is a serious theologian. you shouldn't underestimate him.

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    I do think pink floyd is the issue. Maybe Mark did not formulate it as such but his epigones are kind of looking to a 70s culture which was just mostly moribund apart from funk and reggae tbh. and later disco. but you know goldsmiths students don't listen to Graham Central station, the metres or miles davis on the corner outtakes, let alone pick a dub.

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    well what do you suggest?
    i don't think anyone is going to need drugs soon when
    they work out what is already happening and that they
    are already enmeshed into its narrative logic.

    i'd say go and be a poet but there's only room for one and i applied
    for that job years ago. so you'll have to invite the future in through some
    other skylight.

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    with Mark you just pick out the bits which glow with light and discard the rest.

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    his aesthetic tastes are of little import. he built a body
    without organs and we can see how far he sailed that flimsy little craft
    until they got him. he sailed it a long way. but we can also
    build our own crafts and sail them. we do in fact, every day.
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    my contention is this: communism is like the qur'an. it will either win or it will lose. it was not a created doctrine so much as an accumulated historical doctrine realised through extremely long stretches of time condensations. If it is wrong then it should be abandoned entirely. It does not need to be modified, updated or revised, let alone rebranded. it was the same theory in 1844 and it will be the exact same theory in 2050. all the nuts and bolts of class based gender, race and disability politics are contained within the kernel of the economic and philosophical manuscripts of 1844.

    What communists need to do, however, is interface with peoples cultural needs, and situate them in the historical trajectory of societal transformation. this is why I don't understand the reversion to archaism. floyd tels us nothing relevant today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    with Mark you just pick out the bits which glow with light and discard the rest.
    I'm not really so much ribbing on Mark's idea so much as acid communism and acid corbynism developed after his death.

    https://www.weareplanc.org/blog/towa...zJingutDuynSEQ

    and this:

    https://www.redpepper.org.uk/what-is-acid-corbynism/
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    well, i think i agree which is why i think the avant-garde needs to be reunited with the psychedelic which is, after all, just my way of saying the religious.

    this is a point of contention between myself and znore who writes the grapejuice blog.
    he thinks the new is just commodity fetishism and that we need a return to the neolithic. i don't quite know what that means.

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    a lot of this is to do with the relationship between capital and culture. it's deliciously ambiguous.

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    what i need is a community of concern. of people who understand the territory and how to build the craft. how to operate the craft, how to handle that air-glider, and what the dangers are. i need their work to feed into mine and vice versa. i need all of this right now this instant. i need people who are capable of operating here, at this limit, the active point of investigation.

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    as a poet, this is what i need and this is what i am trying to create here.
    i can't show you how it's done becasue you already know how it's done.
    you just have to trust that it is real. and it is very, very real.

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    so what do i need to know politically then. get me up to speed. but just to warn you
    if it doesn't end with the inauguration of the child-god at the start of the new aeon i ain't innerseted

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    return to the neolithic. i don't quite know what that means
    I assume some kind of anarcho-primitivism tho idk yr friend so idk if means literally or some metaphorical mindset thing. You can find both types among actual primitivists. The literal Zerzan types tend to be pretty mad.

    This in general seems like the thread that could tie together a lot of the threads we've been spinning out - don't have time 4 the deep dive rn but I trust yall to get it going

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