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    Jebus man, I guess you're trolling.

    Yes, everyone should stop standing up for rights / making demands of employers because there's always someone worse off or who gets paid less?

    I'd say it's always good for anyone who isn't a super rich cunt, even if you think the ostensible issues are 'trivial', which they're not. There's always so far to go, how the heck is it 'greed'?

    Anyway, aside from that I reckon people rather enjoy the disruption even if they're moaning about it. Breaks up the monotony.

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    Oh yes and people working hard at tedious jobs should obviously be paid fuck all anyway cos there's no 'skill' involved.

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    It's not surprising that people can be really short sighted and self-centred but it's like there's some Stockholm syndrome shit going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by massrock View Post
    Oh yes and people working hard at tedious jobs should obviously be paid fuck all anyway cos there's no 'skill' involved.
    Tube drivers are paid forty grand for a 35-hour week with a month's holiday a year and loads of benefits. Most people graduating right now who've studied hard for years can only dream of a job that cushy, if they can even get one at all. I know it's a damn sight more than I'm on.

    Being a train driver can hardly be more tedious than being a shelf stacker or phone operator, and they sure as hell don't earn 40k. Just because you're a public sector employee (which I am, as it happens) that doesn't put you in some special catogory of being that is immune to economic reality and only ever strikes for righteously justified reasons. Let's not pretend this is Thatcher vs. the miners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by massrock View Post
    Yes, everyone should stop standing up for rights / making demands of employers because there's always someone worse off or who gets paid less?
    ...many of whom have to get to work each day on the world's most expensive metro system?
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    So they are obliged to YOU personally to turn up to work and should be grateful for what they get for their time and effort because it's more than the pittance some others get?

    And they should keep quiet because even though they are in a position to make demands because they are relatively organised, other groups of workers are not so fortunate?

    Is 40k really a lot in absolute terms? And the really big question - what is this 'economic reality' exactly??? Mark Fisher to thread....

    I can see why people get angry about this stuff. Do you really think that one group standing up, even (especially) on a matter of principle negatively impacts on others who can't or won't, aside from a couple of days 'inconvenience'? Surely it's precisely the opposite.

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    40k is a lot when it's the salary of a few thousand people. And what "absolute terms" are we talking about here? It's well above the average wage in this country (let alone the median wage).

    Where did I say anything about them being obliged to "me, personally"? We need them to get us around, they need us to buy tickets and pay their wages. It's a mutual relationship that gets strained when one side decides to take the piss.

    Quote Originally Posted by massrock View Post
    Is 40k really a lot in absolute terms? And the really big question - what is this 'economic reality' exactly??? Mark Fisher to thread....
    Good God man, think what you're saying!
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    tea thats hilarious

    i've been chuckling at this

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    At the risk of severely decreasing the chuckle-value of this chuckle-centric thread, I really mean no more than to say any group of workers griping in the middle of a recession about how they are mistreated at a job that pays them sometimes up to $100,000 annually plus health benefits, and paid sick days and vacations, is going to be taken as an insult by those who earn next to nothing working at jobs that sometimes require much higher qualifications.

    Particularly when the demands of the former are actually directly affecting the latter in a negative way by driving up transit costs and fares to outrageous prices, and draining public funding away from other areas where the money would go a lot further for a much larger group of people. Not to mention that there is something sinister about an organization that can force all its workers, regardless of political or ethical stance on the motivating issue, to go on a general strike at risk otherwise of becoming a "scab."

    It's like a fat kid demanding that he should get a larger share of the cake because he eats cake all the time.* You don't need to be Rush Limbaugh to see something wrong with that.

    And that is all I'm going to say on this topic unless a seperate thread is created. Back to chuckling.

    *An issue that would be resolved if there were an infinite amount of cakes, but the force of this argument, I think, is that there isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    They don't go on strike as often because they're not organised as well.

    The current strike is also about keeping stations safe.

    I wish I had someone like Bob Crow and the RMT fighting my corner at work.
    well said John.

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    Nick Nolte meme t-shirt... haha.

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    To reiterate - the recent strike wasn't about pay.

    The RMT has argued for a reduction in fares.

    There isn't any evidence that people have been intimidated into striking.

    "It isn't fair" gets trumpeted out every fucking time there is a tube strike, like people expect capitalism to be fair.

    But recessions, job losses, pay freezes, all that stuff is fair and we just have to accept it - we're all in it together as a TEAM, from street sleepers right up to millionaires.

    It's in all our TEAM interests for people at the top to extract as much profit as possible out of us, to get the economy going again.

    But terribly unfair if we want to get paid more, keep our jobs, want to work less hard.

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    This thread gets funnier with every post!

    (sorry John, all good points - though I think it's unfair to assume anyone who isn't 100% behind every TfL strike is necessarily a cheerleader for the free market...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    Tube drivers are paid forty grand for a 35-hour week with a month's holiday a year and loads of benefits. Most people graduating right now who've studied hard for years can only dream of a job that cushy, if they can even get one at all. I know it's a damn sight more than I'm on.

    Being a train driver can hardly be more tedious than being a shelf stacker or phone operator, and they sure as hell don't earn 40k. Just because you're a public sector employee (which I am, as it happens) that doesn't put you in some special catogory of being that is immune to economic reality and only ever strikes for righteously justified reasons. Let's not pretend this is Thatcher vs. the miners.
    We should all work for free. For the good of the country in these bleak times.
    That would give those selfish tube drivers something to think about on their tea breaks (an hour long, I've heard) and holidays.

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    On the contrary, I think we should all be paid a bazillion pounds a year!
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