Can Al-Qaida be destroyed?

waffle

Banned
I know you have difficulty with reading comprehension

Idlerich, it is totally pointless my attempting any further simple communication with you because you are totally beyond the pale, once again parading your contempt for all reason and morality, your every response to my posts a crazed orgy of masturbatory loathing. You are defending Buick6's spam because you largely agree with it's main message, as your archive posting history here confirms. No, you are so odious (calling you hypocritical is too generous) you'd rather call for the outright banning of anyone who challenges those who support similar bile, as your archive ...

Good day.
 

waffle

Banned
I find it quite ironic that you can complain about the situation seeing as it came about primarily as a result of your past behaviour on this board.

Whatever are you now insinuating? A close look at your posting history reveals that you're looking in the mirror.

Josef K said:
I'd argue that confronting lunacy directly is often not the best way of dealing with it...

Yes, simply delete it. Alas, posters prefer to shout "BAN!" whenever someone shouts "Boo!" at their 'personal' vanity.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
You are defending Buick6's spam because you largely agree with it's main message, as your archive posting history here confirms. No, you are so odious (calling you hypocritical is too generous) you'd rather call for the outright banning of anyone who challenges those who support similar bile, as your archive ...

In the other thread you're gracing with your bullshit today, IdleRich said

You never make arguments do you? You just state how things are and if anyone disagrees with you you start shouting. If what I say is deluded wouldn't it be more worthwhile to explain or even somehow attempt to demonstrate how this is the case rather than becoming more and more hysterical in your insistence that it is so? For all your bluster you never actually say anything.

Now instead of proving him right, as you're doing above, try findiing something, anything he's written to back up your assertion that he agrees with Buick's 'main message'.
 

josef k.

Dangerous Mystagogue
Yes, simply delete it.

But why? We're all big boys and girls here. These kinds of opinions exist, and it is surely better to acknowledge that fact (and point out their absurdity) then to treat them as so dangerous and threatening that they must be banished from our sight.
 

waffle

Banned
But why? We're all big boys and girls here. These kinds of opinions exist, and it is surely better to acknowledge that fact (and point out their absurdity) then to treat them as so dangerous and threatening that they must be banished from our sight.

Because such opinions already completely dominate the media, the internet, the print and broadcast media. Because such opinions are the dominant ideology, repeated day after day after day. Such bile is not 'threatening', it is an all-encompassing 'noise', the absurdity of which has been pointed out repeatedly, to no avail, because those spouting it do so not for reasons, but purely because it is the ideology endlessly broadcast by all institutions. Inviting them is not to 'acknowledge' them, but to endorse and further replicate them

Why not also invite Fox News viewers, Jerry Springer participants, tabloid media hacks, BNP members, Christian and Zionist Fundamentalists, Holocaust deniers, war criminals, serial killers and rapists to express their views here? After all, their opinions exist too! We're big boys and girls, we can 'handle' them. Yes, let them start posting here and set the political agenda too, what topics are chosen; let them dominate 'Dissensus' discourse completely! And let them moderate too! And post on your blog! 'We' can handle it ...

[sigh] Josef K, you have things upsidedown: it is alternative political discourse that is treated as so dangerous and threatening that it must be banished from our sight. But this argument is already lost here. Dissensus has ensured that, and continues to ensure it.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
The 'swamp' of popular support should also be drained by addressing genuine political grievances, but of course, you'd have to be in cloud cuckoo land to think that's ever going to happen.

This would be Palestine, right?
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
This would be Palestine, right?

Some of this, maybe.

However, terrorism in India is by no means an exclusively Muslim practice. Terrorist violence is, sadly, endemic. In the past four years India has suffered the highest rate of civilian death by political violence after Iraq. It is at present experiencing a form of politics more akin to Italy's violent “Years of Lead” in the 1970s than Gandhi's Golden Age of Ahimsa (non-violence).

In its interiors, far-left Naxalites have waged an intermittent guerrilla war for more than 30 years; in the 1980s the Khalistan-Punjab crisis claimed 40,000 lives, and the insurgency in Kashmir another 90,000. And in the late 1980s and early 1990s Hindu nationalist extremists used terrorism as an electoral strategy - and appear to be doing so again in this election year with attacks on Indian Christians in eastern and southern India.

But despite the multi-religious and multi-ethnic origins of terrorist violence the Indian authorities have, until recently, tended to treat only Muslims as terrorists. So while Muslim “terrorists” have been subject to extraordinary laws of detention and trial in special courts, Hindu nationalist “rioters” have been tried in regular courts, or, more usually, not been punished at all.

One of the principal complaints of Indian Muslim groups is the failure to bring to trial any of the Hindu ringleaders responsible for pogroms in Bombay in 1993 and Gujarat in 2002 in which more than 4,000 Muslims died.

While the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, and international jihadist groups have undoubtedly trained and funded Indian Muslim terrorists, the chief recruiting officer is often the Indian State.

This is especially true at regional and state level where the police and judiciary are often “captured” by Hindu political interests that have used anti-terrorist laws to pursue political vendettas. The extreme poverty of many Muslims in India, whose status, according to a recent report, was below that of the “Untouchable” caste of Hindus, has increased frustration.

While “Untouchable” and other low-caste groups are actively promoted into universities and prestigious state jobs, India's 150 million Muslims, who make up 13 per cent of the population, hold only 3 per cent of state posts. They are even less well represented in the police.

There are signs that the present Congress-led coalition recognises these problems. On taking office in 2004, Dr Singh's Government abolished the controversial Prevention of Terrorism Act (Pota), which, the Prime Minister argued, was propagating rather than preventing terrorism.

Another positive sign was the recent arrest of Hindu nationalist terrorist cells in Maharashtra. After the Delhi bombs in September the Government announced the creation of a central intelligence agency to monitor Islamist terror. Given the intelligence failures emerging in the wake of the Bombay catastrophe, this can only be welcomed

The immediate effect of the Bombay attacks will probably be to fuel the recovery of the Hindu nationalist BJP and its supporters, who are demanding the reimposition of the Pota laws. We can only hope that better counsel prevails and India does not lapse into a new cycle of violence and revenge.
 
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