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    id like to see wales do well against the wallabies. i think they have a faint chance. about 1 in 5. its wallabies b team playing away so nows the time...

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    Wait and see. We are very hungry for a Southern scalp right now. We feel we can do it, and that helps.

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    definitely getting along to be best in the north.

    missed opportunity to send a message against that Boks team the other week.

    anyway unfortunately i'm an Englishman so my opinions are fairly worthless.

    big up NZ in the League final the other week BTW.

    p.s.
    as i was watching the Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers (the entire NHL retired Gretzky's number after he stopped playing; no team has a player with his old number on their shirts in their squad) in a bar in Vancouver recently - i fell desperately in lust with a girl in that bar, i must admit to being a sad objectifying prat at this stage - i got chatting to a middle-aged local of Italian heritage who had played for Canada back in the day.
    he had been given the opportunity to play for Italy when he was choosing, but declined as they were a lot less good than they are now. (or, for good, read: a decent team.)
    that was a regret, but he'd had a time.
    he bought me a Guinness and i bought him a glass of red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    i like mccaw actually. to accuse the all blacks is being robotic is fairly one eyed. who is best bale to handle an unstructured game? who is best able to take initiave? who is best able to depart from a gameplan or come back from a mistake? its wales and the rest of the north who are the overcoached robots. the evidence is conclusive.
    I see your point, but I don't agree. It's not overcoaching, just the usual deficiencies - not getting quickly enough tot he breakdown (number one sin in my book), missed tackles etc etc

    ANyway, great to have a rugby thread on Dissensus. I will be doing my usual thing of screaming at the TV while Wales are on.

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    Different code, but Autralians, watch this and weep. No-one int he south dummies like that (I wait to hear the exceptions to this).

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    Quote Originally Posted by craner View Post
    you want to be studying, of course.
    My dad was a Scouse evacuee, brought up in Wales, and dedicated to the Welsh rugby team. They were fantastic in the '70s, almost good enough to make rugby interesting.

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    you can only legitimately enjoy rugby if you have nz or welsh heritige. fact.
    otherwise you are a cunt.
    well done wales/
    mind you aus. missing half their players but a good result all the same. they're not mugs anymore.

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    disappointingly, ricky stuart aside the australians were rather pleased to see the kiwis pull it off in the final.

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    2011 Rugby World Cup draw:
    Pool A - New Zealand, France, Tonga, Americas 1, Asia 1
    Pool B - Argentina, England, Scotland, Europe 1, play-off winner
    Pool C - Australia, Ireland, Italy, Europe 2, Americas 2
    Pool D - South Africa, Wales, Fiji, Oceania 1, Africa 1
    Pool D - tasty!

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    Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fiji again. Fuck.

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    Scotland 13 - Wales 26.

    Flattering score line for Scotland, I think.

    Can't wait for next week.

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    That was the least tense I've ever felt watching Wales play; even with the last minute pull-out of Ryan Jones, a potentially devestating blow in those circumstances, and minus Gavin Henson and without Hookie, for the most part Wales were beautifully dominant. Only when they relaxed and got sloppy towards the end of the match, did it get at all edgy.

    This is a weird experience for Welshman of my age and a bit older and anyone younger, those who grew up in the late 80s and 90s watching the Welsh rugby nightmare unfold, with our elders reeling and regaling us with the genius and beauty of Welsh Rugby in the 70s. And only in Wales was is it so important, so tied to national culture and character, to an almost disturbed and damaging degree. (Welsh football is a fairly squalid affair, cf. Cardiff City.)

    It meant that every time Wales played well, it was a slightly uneasy surprise, and inevitably undone by subsequent destruction at the hands of, most gallingly, England, the most soulless rugby nation and earth, and bitter rivals. (I don't like this side of Welsh rugby, actually. Mere disdain would be more elegant.) So, for our generations, to expect a commanding Welsh side to perform with confidence and falir and gusto is a joyful and surprising thing. I don't think any of us believed it was real until we beat France last year and took that second Grand Slam. The first still felt like a fluke, or just luck and guts and imagination bound to fade out. (Which, without Gatland and Edwards stepping in, it would have been.)

    It created a ongoing sense of deflation and detachment in the nation's psyche, punctuated by brief moments of absurd euphoria and over-confidence every time we did well. Anyone who remembers the embarrasing false dawns of the Graham Henry era (and heard the radio phone ins on Radio Wales at the time) will know what I mean.

    I think Gatland is superb, however, I'm a big fan. He's marshalled a good bunch of players into an almost-great team, and yet kept the players egos tied to terra firma. They have a sense of humility and a keen perfectionism and at their best now, play as a team: for example, today's first half, and the amazing and exciting defence play against France last March (overseen by a low-key and effective Gavin Henson to give him his due).

    I liked what Flanker Haskell said today:

    "The atmosphere [at the Millennium Stadium] is incredible," said the Wasps man. "When people ask if I notice the crowd in the game, I usually say no, but in Cardiff you do, especially when Wales are going forward because it's so loud.
    He's right. I remember when the Arms Park was pulled down, it was an unpopular thing because there was so much history and sentiment attached to the stadium, and, in fact, it was a really hideous concrete block with no real atmosphere. The Millenium Stadium looks awful from the outside, but inside it's one of the greatest stadiums I can imagine being built. I've been inside once and it's so steep and deep that any Welsh game is an intense experience: the noise of Welsh fans, the hymns and arias, ricochet around it: the acoustics are amazing. And when Wales are on the kind of form they have been for the last few years, it can only be intimidating, even for the All Blacks. That pre-match stand-off late last year is a good example.

    Another thing about the Welsh squad, is that in the late 80s and 90s we always looked fat and ugly and lumbering: missing teeth and full of beer and chips. No we have handsome, swarhy backs and charismatic forwards. The 70s backs were like Iberian hunks and the forwards were rude bulldozers: we're getting back to that, at last. A good-looking, hungry team.

    Henson needs to sort his shit out, because as an old man he will regret missing out on so many matches at this time, with this team, and its superb coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craner View Post
    Scotland 13 - Wales 26.

    Flattering score line for Scotland, I think.

    Can't wait for next week.
    Wwll, great sex, love and astonidhing music are the only things better tahn beating England, as every Welshman knows. Hope we bury the c*nts. Apologies to all English readers....

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    And especial apologies to Shaun Edwards, the Greatest Living Englishman.

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    And yes, watching this Welsh team is the first time in living memory that it has been possible to be comfortable and slightly blase when following Wales. The defence is astonishing for anyone brought up on 1990s Wales. Millennium Stadium is pretty great, too.

    And we still have easily the most rousing national anthem in the world (sorry, France, it's close but no cigar).

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