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    Yes, it's pretty bad. Dragons and Blues had dreadful seasons. Ospreys improved upon a poor start and Scarlets have promising backs but woeful pack. None of them are exacylt storming the RaboDirect Pro12. The club following (even counting Scrum V watchers) is a lot less than the internationals.

    There's an ongoing funding and organisational crisis, and losing a lot of players to French clubs (although who can blame them for going?). People talk about the national side being the "fifth region" and the only one that works; but bad club performances only reinforced the sense of gloom and lack of confidence that afflicted us in the autumn. On the other hand, Lee Byrne and James Hook are thriving in France and in the form of their lives, but have all but lost their Wales spots.

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    Who does Lee Byrne play for now? I barely follow the club game at all these days (and to be honest I pretty much stopped doing so at the time of the Welsh regionalisation, because it ceased to mean much to me. So sad to see St Helen's ground in Swansea these days - used to have 10,000 capacity it seems when I used to go occasionally in the 80s/early 90s. I just don't get why anyone would care about the Ospreys. At least call them by regional names, as in Ireland).

    I wouldn't blame anyone for going to France to play club rugby - seems like one of the great perks of being a good rugby player, and they're hardly letting down a system that has been utterly mismanaged anyways.
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    I agree, I'd be off like a shot. It also makes them more sophisticated, being in France, less parochial.

    Byrne plays for Clermont Auvergne, although I admit I had to look that up. Someone I work with knows him well, and tells me about his heroics. They ripped up Ospreys last years, which must have been interesting for Byrne. The Byrne Camp are anti-Gatland. It's not all love for the current regime in Wales.

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    you lot dont watch enough sport. today was extraordinary, particularly after nzs win in the league yesterday. today was the ultimate act of onemanupmanship from the all blacks.

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    It was sick. And sickening. I had to watch it through the window of a bar in Bath because I couldn't afford to go in and buy a drink. I was just glad not to be Irish, although I know exactly how they feel. This sort of thing happens to Wales all the time.

    I would have watched the League semi-final, but I was driving.

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    Didn't see the game, but this sounds too familiar:

    "As their (Ireland's) coach Joe Schmidt, himself a Kiwi, succinctly put it: "To be a minute away from history and have the ball in your hands on their 10-metre line it's devastating." "

    A total inability to close out games against the best, as with Wales, will always be a massive problem.

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    Ffs Wales. Inside the last two minutes, needing a try to win the match, Wales in possession - twice they kick it away. You can't legislate for that level of stupidity. I''m glad Australia won, for once. And Quade Cooper was awesome.

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    Great to see so many neurodiverse players excelling in international rugby.
    Kudos to AB management [and now international sides]for believing in, and hot-housing these 'gifted' players.

    Logically it follows that the flow on effect in the community will be just as mutually beneficial, and all 'gifted' life players, can one day have their place in the sun too.

    All they need is the right atmosphere to flourish and thrive, and will then pledge their loyalty for being believed in.


    Like a new immigrant, being in the minority makes them hungry to achieve and prove themselves, whilst neurotypical players do not have the psychic wound of difference, to sting them into action, but rather neuro-privilege to puff them up [further] on their teetering high horses.

    The removal of psychically bullying all blacks, even if they are brilliant players, will ensure the AB's future successes.

    There is is no room for bullying in a happy house, or happy team.
    I would argue that this has been the key to the AB's phenomenal record of wins.

    Again, this is a microcosm for any future successes in the extended community.
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    some players took part in a "weird" sexual forfeit involving beer bottles during the party, which was arranged by the players, not the club.

    While she was not involved herself, Graham said in a statement, taken on behalf of the club by a detective, that the game left her feeling sick.

    Others were said to be disgusted, and at one point it is claimed a barmaid burst into tears and had to be comforted by one of the crew.

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/a...ectid=11721020

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    great game cant wait for the Maori, the hurricanes, but most importantly the tests.

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    great game to watch, but the Lions were playing like the Welsh at the end (little surprise there, perhaps) - losing their heads and taking a doomed kick at goal rather than getting it into the corner and trusting themselves to work the drop goal or the try from there.

    not sure if that side will contribute even 3 players to the test team though. Stander for sure, and Warburton seems 50/50, but can't see any others among the starters....maybe Webb.

    I'm really looking forward to all the games too, but a little worried that the tests won't be as competitive as i thought they might be. 2009 South Africa remains the benchmark in terms of excitement; can't immediately remember a sporting occasion more thrilling, let alone any rugby matches.
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    Luka, Craner, what'd you make of the First Test? From a Lions perspective I was disappointed how predictable it all was - the moments of requisite individual brilliance from the NH backs (Liam Williams, Jonathan Davies, Anthony Watson) given far too much weight by NH commentators who can't seem to see the obvious chasm in basic skills and overall team cohesion - off-loads! - between the All Blacks and the Lions, that will always decide the result. Also, the way the Lions switched off to allow that first AB try (and possibly the second too, in part)...seen it too many times before.

    NZ 4 through 8 were stellar, best players on the pitch by some distance imo. Read and Kane in particular.

    Gatland's selection highly suspect too. Itoje should start, Farrell should never be fly-half ahead of Sexton, and Elliott Daly is not Lions material when North can't make the squad.

    this is still the best moment/try of the tour tho
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    ran completely counter to expectations, not least mine.
    the welsh lads mostly played great. the english not so much.kruis was poor. farrell looked
    anything but world class even missing a kick while barrett nailed every single one of his.
    davies and williams and to a lesser extent daly and watson,
    looked superb beating multiple men on multiple occassions.
    the lions scrum got pushed back 10 meters
    and that was the moment their spirits were broken. physically they were dominated
    where i honestly thought they were stronger than their counterparts. retallick and
    read were incredible. the scrum and particularly
    the rolling maul was anything but a weapon for the lions though at least
    teo did a very good job on sbw.
    not sure sexton would have any more joy behind an outclassed pack but you never know.
    i enjoyed it a lot, but then i am half kiwi. i thought the lions first try was magical, better than the west try for the blues imo if only cos so much more unexpected.

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    Yeah, Farrell's missed kicks were unacceptable in the situation. I reckon Sexton, just from the pov that the Lions need a half back pairing with an understanding to get the backs going - bizarrely, and totally contrary to expectations, as you say, the Lions' trump card might just be the line-breaking ability of their backs, and they need to get them firing more often than on Saturday. George North replacing Daly too.

    I'd say on Saturday's showing that Jonathan Davies was the only Lion who'd have even a chance of getting in the NZ team. He's one of those players who's eternally underrated. Maybe Liam Williams too, but hard to tell because he was clearly semi-concussed during the second half after the clash of heads (amazed the commentators didn't seem to notice that he suddenly had no depth perception, and it led to the third try)

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