Should everyone at Time Out London just be rounded up and shot?

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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Oh believe me, nothing surprising. It was just a sudden annoyance with Time Out's usage of euphemisms ('edgy') to 'disguise'' the fact that it thinks poor people are scum/aren't really people at all.

There was a choice quote in another thing I read where they were reviewing an East End restaurant and saying that you could see "all manner of East End life enjoying the £13 roasts". I mean this stuff is beyond parody. I have never paid £13 for a fucking roast, and I'm lucky enough to be on 30 grand.

Cunts.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
It's just the conspiratorial, we're-all-in-it-together, wink-wink phrasing:

"What to keep quiet about if you’re selling
The rather deprived and dilapidated Ocean Estate (though it is currently undergoing big redevelopment) to the east of Stepney Green. Also, you are twice as likely to get a car stolen in Stepney than many other places in the country. Stepney does have its, shall we say, edgy side."

*shiver*
 
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scottdisco

rip this joint please
good spot Baboon, i agree re their usage of euphemisms.

on a smaller scale but similar bent, the chief restaurant critic of the Manchester Evening News attracted a bit of ire recently when reviewing a new mega-restaurant and bar complex that has opened in Miles Platting, a mile or so out of the city centre (M P is one of the more inner suburbs of Mcr), and basically some of his language was really snobby, quite stuffy, i was really annoyed reading it

i think the bloke is more used to West Didsbury, Chorlton-cum-Hardy and fairly upmarket Lancashire and Cheshire suburbs, and his snide points added absolutely nothing to the review.
:mad:
 
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crackerjack

Well-known member
baboon2004 said:
Oh believe me, nothing surprising. It was just a sudden annoyance with Time Out's usage of euphemisms ('edgy') to 'disguise'' the fact that it thinks poor people are scum/aren't really people at all.

There was a choice quote in another thing I read where they were reviewing an East End restaurant and saying that you could see "all manner of East End life enjoying the £13 roasts". I mean this stuff is beyond parody. I have never paid £13 for a fucking roast, and I'm lucky enough to be on 30 grand.

Cunts.
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Not sure what the fuss is about here. They do acknowledge "edgy" as a euphemism. Would you prefer "crime-ridden"?
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
*momentarily comes out of retirement*

The use of "edgy" to mean 'poor/violent/scruffy/chav-ridden' is bad enough...but "more edgier"?

"more edgier"?

"more edgier"????



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*re-retires*
 
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crackerjack

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john eden said:
"buzzy but unintimidating vibe."

but for how long?
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ha ha


:(

I was there the other day for lunch (not a roast, but a lovely fish pie, thanks)

My mate who used to live there went to the costcutter for a bottle of wine and reminisced about the time he was in there during an armed robbery.

Then we walked past the Globe, where he'd been robbed at knife-point.
 
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scottdisco

rip this joint please
US 'lifestyle' mags tend to use sketchy IIRC

i was once told by a generally impeccably progressive, social liberal/democratic socialist academic type over there something i found rather insulting about East Harlem, i guess we all have blind spots

waves at Mr. Tea
:D
 
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crackerjack

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Mr. Tea said:
*momentarily comes out of retirement*

The use of "edgy" to mean 'poor/violent/scruffy/chav-ridden' is bad enough...but "more edgier"?

"more edgier"?

"more edgier"????



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*re-retires*
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I was gonna point that out. Now that it's brought you out of your shell I'm glad i didn't.

tbf, they have just had swingeing cuts there, can't get the subs, you know
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
crackerjack said:
Not sure what the fuss is about here. They do acknowledge "edgy" as a euphemism. Would you prefer "crime-ridden"?
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My point was that using euphemisms in this way insinuates far more than the truthful statement that there's a lot of crime there (if this is true, I would prefer them just to say it - although don't get me started on why this might actually be, a question of course WAY too subtle for Time Out to even have an opinion on). It is saying that nice middle-class people wouldn't want to go there because it's full of poor, ill-educated scum who would no sooner look at your car than steal it. That's the subtext.

So - I would rather they write what they mean than hide like cowards behind euphemisms for a raft of prejudices, yes.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
john eden said:
"vibrant"
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"creatives"; "accepting"; "fabulous";

"Long dismissed as a fading east London suburb with a chaotic daily market, a strip of cheap Turkish restaurants and a rudimentary relationship with street hygiene..."

Hmm, cheap Turkish restaurants - how appalling!
 
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crackerjack

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It would be an idea for them to speak to people beyond the club promoters etc, maybe point out that, for some, poverty isn't something that just happens between leaving university and getting your first pay rise.

I met Paul Flynn once and he is, iirc, from Wythenshawe (Shameless territory, for those of you who don't know MCR - was once described as the largest council estate in England) and proud of it.

Just goes to show he knows his audience - or he's been thoroughly broken in.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Well, often you don't get to choose your angle as a writer, I suppose.

Lovely phrasing in the first paragraph - spot on. The way the people he's interviewed speak, they have no compunction about taking over someone else's community and calling it theirs. No doubt house prices will start to rise soon...
 
Leo

Leo

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i love how US magazines often use the term "up-and-coming" to describe certain "edgy" neighborhoods. it's like code language to the more moneyed class that basically translates as "attention: gays and artists have moved into this lower-income immigrant neighborhood, and while it doesn't yet have a starbuck's on every block, now is the time to buy up the real estate."

or it used to be anyway, back when people could flip real estate for fast money...
 
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