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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    Terrible news that that guy died - can't find any more info at the moment.

    I missed most of the latter-afternoon violence (was there til about 3), but...can someone tell me what the point was, if the whole thing was going to be so fragmented and disorganised? To be frank, it was a fucking shambles, and has only made those who protest even more demonised in the eyes of the mainstream media.

    People have to be a lot less stupid if there's any hope of change, I'm sorry. No-one was handing out leaflets or any written materials to clarify the point of the protests to passers-by (correct me if I'm wrong), there were loads of pissed up cunts making it easy for the protest to be dismissed as that of 'louts', and it was all so homogenous in a way. What about converting laid-off bankers and others recently disillusioned with 'the system' to the idea of the protests? Or ANYONE other than the usual suspects (wrong choice of words, perhaps!)? It's al too fucking....studenty, and what do a lot of the people there do on the other 360 days of the year with their time, after they've attended their 5 annual protests?

    Sorry to be so negative, but it was self-defeating bollocks.
    Ah didn't know you were there!

    I really wanted to - and will press something up for the next one - to see people handing out public information about what their rights were, everything's constantly changing. I'm never sure whether I'm even allowed to be out in public at all anymore.

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    90 arrests now: "ringleaders" followed by helicopter.

    I agree with baboon, but then I'm fairly cynical about this sort of thing anyway. On the plus side it is good to see people getting passionate about these issues.

    But yeah it does seem to lack a wider social movement - all the hard day to day stuff gets left behind in favour of the big bang of a demo... but (but but but) we're still only in the early stages of this crisis so who knows...

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    Agree with mistersloane about rights info - no-one knows what their rights are at all, and that can be really problematic. Saw some guy being hauled away in a police van for seemingly nothing, but felt powerless to help, being so ignorant of what his rights actually are.

    I was playing devil's advocate a bit, but I really think this needs a broader (and more broad-minded) base. Who were the main drivers behind yesterday's protest anyways, and where/when do they have their regular meets? Obv Stop the War Coalition and Climate Change (?), but who else?

    Don't get me started on that "Abolish Money" banner..."and, sir, what is the system you hav ein mind to replace it...?"

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    Agree with Baboon above. The demo on Saturday was the one with the proper agenda. Yesterday's was fun for those who want that kind of thing - astonsihing the numbers of cameras there. No coincidence that 4000 people and a few broken windows got way more coverage than 35000 and a wll organised march on sat.

    edit: but what is the social base of the anti-globalisation movement? It's not much to be going on. Few people have any faith in substantive change, so you're left with the students and squatters?

    The Sun has been asking readers for the ID of the man with the bloody forehead. Expect an 'expose' of his parents' lush 4-bedroom home in a Devonshire village within days.

    Assume the positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack View Post
    Yesterday's was fun for those who want that kind of thing - astonsihing the numbers of cameras there.
    I thought the amount of cameras was to do with that Section 76 thing that got passed

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter...rism_Bill_2008

    thus the only way to counteract that is to literally arm everyone with a camera of some sort. There's obviously other stuff - spectacle etc - but I know we were all trying to take cameras along cos of the 76 thing.

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    Check out the number of journalists in this footage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7977063.stm

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    So you back for round two mistersloane?

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    i would guess that most people agree that things are incredibly fucked, worried and angry at bankers etc, but then the press seems to try and create a them and us mentality before the protests, you know, danger, riots, hippies, what they want, to be honest the protesters often do as good a job at alienating the general populous as the press does.
    That penning people in tactic is shit, esp as they take everyones pics, names and addresses on the way out, plus it essentially causes people to kick off, don't know what the legality of that is, taking peoples details without premise to do so.

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    Apparently this kettling thing is legal but I just don't see why - how can it be ok to pre-emptively hold people against their will for hours on end? And taking names and addresses when they do eventually release people is outright intimidation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mms View Post
    i would guess that most people agree that things are incredibly fucked, worried and angry at bankers etc, but then the press seems to try and create a them and us mentality before the protests, you know, danger, riots, hippies, what they want, to be honest the protesters often do as good a job at alienating the general populous as the press does.
    That penning people in tactic is shit, esp as they take everyones pics, names and addresses on the way out, plus it essentially causes people to kick off, don't know what the legality of that is, taking peoples details without premise to do so.
    again, yet more reason to hand out flyers with people's rights on them. Saw a good article in Big Issue recently about stop-and-search rights, which clarified things in a very easy-to-understand way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack View Post
    So you back for round two mistersloane?
    Will drop by the city today but got stuff to do, I think going to the Xcel for the 1/2 mile exclusion zone is just gonna be depressing to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdleRich View Post
    And taking names and addresses when they do eventually release people is outright intimidation.
    Here's some stuff about rights but not sure how totally up to date it is, there's stuff on urban75 as well

    http://www.ldmg.org.uk/legal.html#searches

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    report from a fabian inside and outside the climate camp

    http://www.nextleft.org/2009/04/seige-mentality.html

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    that sounds familiar.
    you get the report on the news police charged at protesters to try to contain the group, the situation became uglier as police surround protesters pushing them into a contained circle. no shit.

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