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    failing that Cracker, just unloose your coin at the off-license each morning on a bottle of absinthe.

    the day should then fly by

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    Who the hell goes to France to drink beer? You don't go to Yorkshire for the pinot noir, do you?

    Book into a hostel or cheapo hotel and stock up on plonk from the hypermarché. Or wait till your parents move there and pop over every now and again to abuse their hospitality. Works for me.
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    Tea identifies the elephant in the room re our expensive Parisian beer gripes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdisco View Post
    aren't there loads of bars where you can get reasonable plonk for very little?
    No.

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    FRANCO-BRITISH "CHARTER" FLIGHT TO KABUL: The ODIOUS SHOW CONTINUES

    32 organizations denounce *
    From: RESF International <resf.international@rezo.net>

    After Calais, the French and British authorities are preparing a charter for Kabul

    A "charter" Franco-British is scheduled for October 6 flights to Kabul. While the humanitarian and security continue to deteriorate in Afghanistan, the NGOs as the Secretary General of UN expressed particular concern about the situation, France and Great Britain are trying, as in the month of November 2008, a joint operation. Afghanistan is a country at war. It is unacceptable to refer those that have fled to seek protection in Europe.

    In France, the Immigration Department laughs at the decisions of courts of different regions that have released 130 of the 138 Afghans who had been arrested September 22 in order of their distance during the "closure" spectacular more "jungle" of Calais. These courts have highlighted the futility of this media operation and reiterated the rule of law and fundamental freedoms of persons. Several tribunals have also canceled orders of deportation for failure to respect the right to seek asylum.

    The government does not care and remains locked in his rhetoric of the 'draft', that Afghans, Eritreans, Iraqis, Iranians, Sudanese, etc.. would not come to Europe to save their lives and their freedoms, but for reasons of pleasure and comfort: The current raids are believed to carry messages disincentive in countries of origin. So are hostages of Afghans from Calais to try to dissuade their fellow victims of violence in the country.

    The "cleansing" continues and more than fifty Afghans were again detained last week. The "joint charters, which are contrary to the principle of prohibition of collective expulsion, leading to arbitrary practices, discriminatory and inhuman punishment in violation of fundamental human rights.

    We urge the French and British authorities to abandon any plans to deportation to Afghanistan and underline the need to mobilize to prevent all this collective expulsion, which would seriously endanger the lives of these exiles.

    We reaffirm the urgency to make sense of asylum in Europe by providing a mechanism to refugees seeking protection in the country of his choice. In the meantime, the France can and must suspend the application of the Dublin Regulation to host on its territory who continue to flee conflict and take refuge in Europe.

    On October 5, 2009

    ACAT (Action by Christians against Torture), ADDE (Advocates for the rights of aliens), ANAFE (National Association of border assistance for foreigners), PAL (Association of Home to doctors and health workers Refugees in France), Primo Levi Association, Inn of migrants (Calais), CAAR (Committee to Aid Refugees - Bois-Colombes), Calais Migrant Solidarity, C'SUR (Calais), Cimade, Collective Migrants (Dunkirk), Solidarity Collective Migrants (Angres), collective support of the exiles (Paris), comedy (Committee medical aid to the exiles), ELENA (European Legal Network on Asylum), Emmaus France, Federation of Mutual Aid Protestant, Flanders Fields Solidarity, GAS (Group Home and Solidarity), GISTI (Group Information and support for immigrants), Roaming (Cherbourg), LDH (League of Human Rights), MRAP (Movement against Racism and for Friendship among Peoples ), PCF (French Communist Party), RESF (Network Education Without Borders), SAF (Union of Lawyers of France), Salam (Calais), Salam (Dunkirk), Catholic Relief Services, Union of Magistrates (DM), Terre d ' Wandering (Norrent-Fonts), Land of Wandering (Steenvoorde) Roof of the World (Orleans)

    PRESS CONTACTS:
    Cimade Julie Chansel 06 82 24 03 47 julie.chansel @ lacimade.orgHYPERLINK "mailto: @ julie.chansel lacimade.org" julie.chansel @ lacimade.org

    32 organisations* dénoncent

    Après Calais, les autorités franco-britanniques préparent un charter pour Kaboul

    Un « charter » franco-britannique serait prévu pour le 6 octobre à destination de Kaboul. Alors que les conditions humanitaires et de sécurité ne cessent de se dégrader en Afghanistan, que les ONG comme le Secrétaire général des Nations unies se déclarent particulièrement préoccupés par la situation, la France et la Grande-Bretagne tentent, comme au mois de novembre 2008, une opération conjointe. L'Afghanistan est un pays en guerre. Il est inacceptable d'y renvoyer ceux qui s'en sont enfuis à la recherche d'une protection en Europe.

    En France, le ministère de l'Immigration se moque des décisions des tribunaux de différentes régions qui ont remis en liberté 130 des 138 Afghans qui avaient été interpellés le 22 septembre, en vue de leur éloignement, lors de la « fermeture » spectaculaire de la plus grande « jungle » de Calais. Ces juridictions ont mis en évidence l'inanité de cette opération médiatique et ont rappelé le respect du droit et des libertés fondamentales des personnes. Plusieurs tribunaux administratifs ont par ailleurs annulé des arrêtés de reconduite à la frontière au motif du non-respect du droit de demander l'asile.

    Le gouvernement n'en a cure et reste enfermé dans sa rhétorique de l'« appel d'air », selon laquelle Afghans, Erythréens, Irakiens, Iraniens, Soudanais, etc. ne viendraient pas en Europe pour sauver leur vie et leurs libertés, mais pour des raisons d'agrément et de confort : les rafles actuelles seraient supposées porter des messages dissuasifs dans les pays d'origine. C'est ainsi que sont pris en otages des Afghans du Calaisis pour tenter de dissuader leurs compatriotes victimes des violences au pays.

    Les « opérations de nettoyage » se poursuivent et plus d'une cinquantaine d'Afghans ont été à nouveau placés en rétention la semaine dernière. Les « charters conjoints », qui sont contraires au principe d'interdiction des expulsions collectives, conduisent à des pratiques arbitraires, discriminatoires et inhumaines, au mépris des droits fondamentaux des personnes.

    Nous appelons instamment les autorités françaises et britanniques à renoncer à tout projet d'expulsion vers l'Afghanistan et insistons sur la nécessaire mobilisation de tous pour empêcher cette expulsion collective qui mettrait sérieusement en danger la vie de ces exilés.

    Nous réaffirmons qu'il est urgent de rendre son sens au droit d'asile en Europe en prévoyant un mécanisme permettant à tout réfugié de solliciter une protection dans le pays de son choix. En l'attente, la France peut, et doit, suspendre l'application du règlement de Dublin afin d'accueillir sur son sol les personnes qui continueront à fuir les conflits pour trouver refuge en Europe.

    Le 5 octobre 2009

    *Organisations signataires : ACAT France (Action des chrétiens contre la torture), ADDE (Avocats pour la défense des droits des étrangers), ANAFE (Association nationale d'assistance aux frontières des étrangers), APSR (Association d'Accueil aux médecins et Personnels de Santé Réfugiés en France), Association Primo Levi, Auberge des migrants (Calais), CAAR (Comité d'aide aux réfugiés - Bois-Colombes), Calais Migrant Solidarity, C'SUR (Calais), Cimade, Collectif Migrants (Dunkerque), Collectif Solidarité Migrants (Angres), Collectif de soutien des exilés (Paris), COMEDE (Comité médical d'aide aux exilés), ELENA (European Legal Network on Asylum), Emmaüs-France, Fédération de l'Entraide Protestante, Flandre Terre Solidaire, GAS (Groupe Accueil et Solidarité), GISTI (Groupe d'information et de soutien des immigrés), Itinérance (Cherbourg), LDH (Ligue des droits de l'homme), MRAP (Mouvement contre la racisme et pour l'amitié entre les peuples), PCF (Parti communiste français), RESF (Réseau Education sans frontières), SAF (Syndicat des avocats de France), SALAM (Calais), SALAM (Dunkerque), Secours catholique, Syndicat de la magistrature (SM), Terre d'errance (Norrent-Fontes), Terre d'Errance (Steenvoorde)

    http://www.gisti.org/spip.php?article1718
    ... while you discuss the effect of the euro on yr boozecruise, afghans are disappearing silently and very fast

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    Anti-detention campaigners are currently holding a protest inside the Arora International Hotel near Heathrow airport against what they described as the hotel company's "cynical, profit-driven opportunism." Armed with a banner and leaflets, they are demanding that Arora drops its plans to turn one of its hotels into an immigration prison.

    Driven by what appears to be a decline in business, Arora Management Services Ltd has applied to the Crawley Borough Council for permission to turn its four-star hotel at Gatwick airport, Mercure, into an immigration detention centre. If the planning permission is granted, the hotel will be converted into a secure, prison and the 245 bedrooms into single and family cells.
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    yeh i heard about that hotel deal (LGW not LHR?), the Home Office of course have not made any propsal for a new detention centre, this has only come to light because of the planning application

    some better news, all credit to the NGOs

    France pulls out of deported Afghans' charter flight deal

    France on Tuesday night pulled out of a plan to deport hundreds of illegal migrants to Afghanistan in order to prevent them from travelling to Britain.

    The Telegraph, 06 Oct 2009
    http://tinyurl.com/ycbt9yh

    Plans for the first joint Anglo-French flight taking immigrants back to Afghanistan fell apart after Paris withdrew its co-operation at the last minute in the face of protests from refugee groups.

    A charter flight leaving Britain on Tuesday night carrying a group of deported Afghans was due to stop in Lille en route to Kabul.

    Reports in France said among their number would have been those detained during raids on the Calais "Jungle" last month.

    The Home Office refused to comment directly on the details of the flight, but sources confirmed the British side of the deportation would go ahead as planned, with around 25 Afghans originally held in Britain returned to Kabul.

    France's last minute withdrawal followed vociferous protests by a coalition of refugee groups.

    Frank Supplisson, France's deputy immigration minister, issued a short statement saying there would be "no return flight" on Tuesday.

    "To put a stop to certain rumours, I inform you that no return flight designed to repatriate refugees to Afghanistan will take place today," he said.

    Paris agreed to the principle of joint return flights during talks at Evian in February between Phil Woolas, a Home Office minister, and his French counterpart, Eric Besson.

    But the last minute change of heart by the French raised doubts about future joint arrangements, particularly after a similar Anglo-French scheme was scrapped last November. At the time, opponents argued that, under United Nations conventions, it was illegal to deport a person to a war-torn country like Afghanistan.

    Flights returning failed asylum seekers are a routine part of British immigration policy but are much more controversial on the other side of the channel.

    In addition to paying for the flight home, Britain meets the cost of travel for the Afghans from Kabul to their home towns and hostel accommodation in the Afghan capital for up to 14 days.

    French police took around 100 people into custody two weeks ago after the shanty town known as the Jungle was levelled.

    It was used as a base for groups of immigrants trying to avoid detection by border officials and enter the UK in the back of lorries crossing the Channel.

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    How do we feel about this?
    The Anglo French Charter to Kabul was stopped by this french NGO coalition (altho UK send flights often already) UK also send regular flights to Kurdistan but this is the first direct to baghdad- can you imagine how this plane will be, full of chained up, terrified migrants under heavy security, doing the infamous landing plummet to avoid flak ...?

    To Detention list: Iraq List:

    Urgent: Stop the first charter flight to Baghdad

    Demonstration
    Wednesday 14th ~ October, 5:00pm

    Communications House
    Reporting and Enforcement Centre
    210 Old Street
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    This message from: stopdeportation@riseup.net

    The Stop Deportation network and other groups and organisations are demanding that the first charter flight to southern Iraq, expected to leave on Wednesday, is suspended and the detainees threatened with forcible removal are released immediately. Over the last week, detainees in various immigration detention centres have been given 'removal directions' clearly stating they will be removed to Iraq, as opposed to the Kurdistan Regional Government-controlled area, which was stated in previous removals.

    Deporting people to a war zone like Iraq would put the lives of many deportees at risk. As recently as the 11th October, three car bombs exploded in the western Iraqi city of Ramadi, killing at least 19 people. Violence and bloodshed continue throughout the country, which saw 1,891 civilian deaths in the first six months of this year alone. There are also widespread food shortages, lack of access to clean drinking water and other grave humanitarian crises in many areas.

    The British government, through its participation in the war on and occupation of Iraq since 2003, is responsible for these crises and the consequent displacement of millions of Iraqis. Instead of helping accommodate refugees fleeing war and violence, it is now is planning to send them back 'en masse' to face their possible death.

    Removal charter flights limit refugees' access to due legal process. The UK Border Agency states that "charter flights may be subject to different arrangements where it is considered appropriate because of the complexities, practicalities and costs of arranging an operation." Charter flight deportees are told that "removal will not necessarily be deferred in the event that a Judicial Review is lodged." The emphasis, thus, is on filling the flight rather than ensuring the appropriate legal avenues have been exhausted. Detainees have also lost the right to know the date and time of their removal, making it more difficult for their legal representatives to act properly and leaving deportees in fear and uncertainty for days or weeks.

    Iraqi refugees have been forcibly removed to Iraqi Kurdistan (northern Iraq) since November 2005. Mass removal flights to Kurdistan have been removing 50-60 men almost once a month since June 2008, with the Home Office arguing that, unlike the rest of the country, the Kurdistan area is 'safe'. The International Federation of Iraqi Refugees estimate 1,000 people have been removed to Kurdistan from the UK since 2005. Despite these claims of safety, however, several people have died or disappeared following their forcible return, including Hussein Ali who killed himself two days after his arrival in 2008. Many others have been forced into hiding.

    The Stop Deportation network calls upon all groups, organisations and individuals opposed to this brutal action by the UK government to stand with us in calling for all deportations to Iraq to be stopped.

    Join us on the first public demonstration against mass removals to Iraq this Wednesday, at 5pm, at the local immigration reporting centre, where many deportees are first arrested without prior warning whilst signing on (Communications House, Old Street, London, EC1).

    If you would like to add your or your organisation's name to this statement, or for any further information, please email
    stopdeportation@riseup.net.

    Other things you can do to help stop this flight:

    Contact your local MP and ask them to put pressure on the UK Border Agency to cancel the deportation. You can find your local MP at
    http://findyourmp.parliament.uk

    Contact the UKBA directly to demand the deportation be cancelled:
    Privateoffice.external@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
    UKBApublicenquiries@UKBA.gsi.gov.uk
    CITTO@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

    Contact the minister for borders and immigration Phil Woolas:
    House of Commons phone number: 020 7219 1149
    House of Commons fax number: 020 7219 0992
    Constituency phone number: 0161 624 4248
    Constituency fax number: 0161 626 8572

    Please copy stopdeportation@riseup.net in your email correspondence.

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    subsequently;
    uk claims deportation success after officials are expelled at gunpoint

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oc...d-deportations
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...532686202.html

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    "If this country and others were to withdraw their troops from Afghanistan and the Taliban were able to take control of Afghanistan our evidence is that the number of asylum seekers coming to the EU would significantly increase," Woolas told the committee.

    "An argument that is not aired strongly enough in my view is the benefit of the presence of our armed forces and other countries' is to help us control immigration."
    this disgusting individual is beneath contempt.

    what a disgraceful, shabby little parochial excuse for a public servant.

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    > From The Mid Sussex Times
    > [http://www.midsussextimes.co.uk/late...Unmanned-drone
    > s-plan-in-immigrants.5861687.jp]
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    >
    > Unmanned drones plan in immigrants crackdown
    >
    > 27 November 2009
    >
    > Unmanned military-style drones could be used by Kent and Essex police
    > to help combat illegal immigration and drug smugglers along Britain's
    > coastlines, it has been disclosed.
    >
    > The pilotless aircraft, known as Unmanned Autonomous Systems (UAS),
    > have been used by British troops in Afghanistan to pinpoint dangers
    > and monitor enemy actions.
    >
    > But a customised version could be used by UK police by 2012 to boost
    > maritime surveillance and border controls under a partnership led by
    > the Kent and Essex forces and BAE Systems.
    >
    > The UAS could be programmed to operate at up to 20,000ft to detect a
    > particular ship and relay high resolution images to police in control
    > rooms.
    >
    > Unlike manned police helicopters, which can fly for a maximum of a few
    > hours, the UAS have the capability to stay in the air for up to 15 hours.
    >
    > BAE Systems confirmed today it was working with the two police forces
    > as part of the South Coast Partnership, which also includes the UK
    > Border Agency, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency and the Marine and
    > Fisheries Agency.
    >
    > Chief Inspector Richard Watson, of Kent Police, said: "This
    > partnership is exploring new approaches in terms of police aviation.
    >
    > "UAS have the potential to perform a significant role and it is
    > important to work alongside authorities such as the Civil Aviation
    > Authority and companies like BAE Systems to make sure any introduction
    > of these systems are done safely and responsibly.
    >
    > "It makes good sense for us all to contribute to it and share the
    > costs and benefits."
    >
    > UAS are not designed to remove the need for manned police flight but
    > to support it, BAE Systems said. They can be programmed with specific
    > missions and can take off, fly and land at the click of a mouse.
    truly bonkers

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    presumably such drastic and cost ineffective measures are justified by the need to to combat this type of terrifying threat
    'Illegal migrant' jumps from ferry in wetsuit
    Ross Lydall http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-in-wetsuit.do 25.11.09

    A search and rescue operation was launched off the south coast today over fears that illegal immigrants had jumped from a cross-Channel ferry.

    Three lifeboats and a helicopter were dispatched in gale force winds at about 1am after a man wearing a wetsuit under soaking clothes was found on the shore near Poole two hours earlier.

    The man was believed to have jumped from the Cherbourg to Poole ferry. Anne-Marie Clark, of the RNLI, said: "He didn't speak English, he was indicating he was with three other people so the lifeboats were launched."

    The search was called off at about 5am when it was discovered that a second man had made it ashore safely but was missing and two women were on the ferry. Police said the first man, thought to be Russian, was arrested on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant.

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    Default The EURO and the recession

    I know this probably doesn't go here, and apols to sufi for hijacking a really good thread, but it is about the Euro, if not the EU necessarily.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...nd-of-eurozone

    Really interesting piece, even if he does write for the Mail. Actually, his book, the Rise of the Political Class, is largely very good. It's weird to me that the Graun in general hasn't looked at the Euro dimension of the crisis before, if indeed it exists. Could be argued that being in the Euro is what saved Ireland from turning into Iceland.

    Seems to me that in the UK the broadly liberal left view would be pro EU, pro Euro. I have no idea why this should be the case. From what I can gather, this goes back to Delors promising the Labour party in the UK that any social democratic goals they held could be achieved through the European Union. The EU is massively undemocratic and centralises power even further away from the population. The Euro might make business easier but makes setting national economic policies harder. And who gives a shit about changing money when you go overseas?

    So it's weird to me that Euroscepticism is such a huge part of right wing politics in the UK and such a small part on the left. But that might be because my concept of "left" is a bit outdated, and I have in mind the Centre left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hucks View Post

    Seems to me that in the UK the broadly liberal left view would be pro EU, pro Euro. I have no idea why this should be the case. From what I can gather, this goes back to Delors promising the Labour party in the UK that any social democratic goals they held could be achieved through the European Union. The EU is massively undemocratic and centralises power even further away from the population. The Euro might make business easier but makes setting national economic policies harder. And who gives a shit about changing money when you go overseas?

    So it's weird to me that Euroscepticism is such a huge part of right wing politics in the UK and such a small part on the left. But that might be because my concept of "left" is a bit outdated, and I have in mind the Centre left.
    It's because the EU, with its relatively generous Social Chapter, is now seen as the last bastion of worker protection against rampant neo-liberalism.

    And de-centralisation is something most parties favour in opposition without doing much about in govt, but it isn't a particularly left-wing trait, quite the opposite if anything (at least among that part of the left with experience/expectation of govt).

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