Curse of the heir

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
But anyway, to the point of this thread, yeah I think teleology is one of the most fundamental invisible epistemic biases of our globalized culture today.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I also think this is the essential characteristic of what Nietzsche meant by overman, IE the phase of the individual (or the phase of society such such individuals exert a greater influence on culture than do those of religious mind) where they can subsist without some overarching cosmological teleology (qua objective meaning), and can instead rely on the subjective meaning which they recognize as stemming from their own consciousness.
This is also interesting, because one may, in other cultural contexts, rely on a non-teleological objective cosmology, EG something like samsara which would notionally have no end or beginning, nor any ultimate reckoning event or any such thing. Not sure if that accurately describes samsara, but something to that effect anyway.
 

version

Well-known member
Baudrillard says the things we 'discover' aren't content to remain objects of knowledge and that they discover us too, that some of them want to be found and decoded in order to get into our world.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Baudrillard says the things we 'discover' aren't content to remain objects of knowledge and that they discover us too, that some of them want to be found and decoded in order to get into our world.

 

version

Well-known member
Another aspect of this is the people who come later can end up fashioning an idea into a dogma, likely misinterpreting it somewhere along the line. This is a hobby horse of my dad's which he's always banging on about in relation to the fourth part of Jonathan Livingston Seagull:

Part Four focuses on the period several hundred years after Jonathan and his students have left the Flock and their teachings become venerated rather than practiced. The birds spend all their time extolling the virtues of Jonathan and his students and spend no time flying for flying's sake. The seagulls practice strange rituals and use demonstrations of their respect for Jonathan and his students as status symbols.

k-punk said something similar about people taking up deconstruction like a faith:

As soon as it was established in certain areas of the academy, deconstruction, the philosophical project which Derrida founded, installed itself as a pious cult of indeterminacy, which at its worst made lawyerly virtue of avoiding any definitive claim. Deconstruction was a kind of pathology of scepticism, which induced hedging, infirmity of purpose and compulsory doubt in its followers. It elevated particular modes of academic practice - Heidegger's priestly opacity, literary theory's emphasis on the ultimate instability of any interpretation - into quasi-theological imperatives. Derrida's circumlocutions seemed like a disintensifying influence.
 
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