I'm just wondering what people think about artists from other countries than the UK doing grime. Is it still grime?
And how about the question of language? Is it still grime if it's done in another langauge than English? Or is it maybe even more fake if they try to speak English when they're from the UK themselves?
I wonder because of the debate in Swedish forums (like www.whoa.nu) regarding Swedish grime MC's. There's this Swedish guy called Max Peezay that does grime in Swedish (he was the guest on 1xtra Pirate Sessions a while ago and has collaborated with people like Trim and Ears), and the Swedish grime fans' opinions about him are very mixed.
Some think it's cool, others say that it automatically sucks, because grime should be done in English. Then a Swedish guy that spitted grime lyrics in English posted some snippets of his tunes and he got dissed by almost everyone. Mainly because he sucked but also because people thought it was pathetic of a Swede to try to sound like an British person.
I'm not sure what I think. Maybe it's really that simple, maybe grime must be done in English by a person born and raised (or at least one of the two) in the UK. But even if I thought so, I would have a hard time motivating this. Becuase then I must also be able to motivate why different rules should apply to grime than, for example, hiphop.
At the birth of hiphop, people saw hiphop as something typical to USA, maybe even typical to New York. Now it's worldwide, and I guess that most countries are like Sweden. That there are both people that rap in English and people that use their native tounge, and although some may prefer one of the two approaches they continue to exist side by side.
So if grime becomes popular enough (and of course that's a big if), why wouldn't the same thing be able to happen to grime?
Can someone explain why and how grime is more deeply connected with British culture and langauge than hiphop originally was with American culture and language?
And how about the question of language? Is it still grime if it's done in another langauge than English? Or is it maybe even more fake if they try to speak English when they're from the UK themselves?
I wonder because of the debate in Swedish forums (like www.whoa.nu) regarding Swedish grime MC's. There's this Swedish guy called Max Peezay that does grime in Swedish (he was the guest on 1xtra Pirate Sessions a while ago and has collaborated with people like Trim and Ears), and the Swedish grime fans' opinions about him are very mixed.
Some think it's cool, others say that it automatically sucks, because grime should be done in English. Then a Swedish guy that spitted grime lyrics in English posted some snippets of his tunes and he got dissed by almost everyone. Mainly because he sucked but also because people thought it was pathetic of a Swede to try to sound like an British person.
I'm not sure what I think. Maybe it's really that simple, maybe grime must be done in English by a person born and raised (or at least one of the two) in the UK. But even if I thought so, I would have a hard time motivating this. Becuase then I must also be able to motivate why different rules should apply to grime than, for example, hiphop.
At the birth of hiphop, people saw hiphop as something typical to USA, maybe even typical to New York. Now it's worldwide, and I guess that most countries are like Sweden. That there are both people that rap in English and people that use their native tounge, and although some may prefer one of the two approaches they continue to exist side by side.
So if grime becomes popular enough (and of course that's a big if), why wouldn't the same thing be able to happen to grime?
Can someone explain why and how grime is more deeply connected with British culture and langauge than hiphop originally was with American culture and language?
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