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mms
11-12-2004, 10:54 AM
always struck me that people need to be able to see the stars a more, especially in london, it grounds people.
This especially struck me when me and couple of blokes i used to share a flat went down to the park one night to check out a passing comet that was in the sky for one night only. one of them who is a proper londoner said he hadn't actually seen or looked up properly at the stars before.I thought this was terribly sad.
One of the problems is light pollution blocking out the night sky, badly designed/directed lighting blocks our vision of the night sky, they seem to have it sorted in some places like Spain but here a view at night over a town is a faint mist of orange light with very little to see above it
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I make a proper effort when people come down to stay at my mums house in cornwall to take em on a midnight walk to this place called st clements which is a mile down a dark road to the right of my mum's estate.
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=8142 (there was a megalith to the left of the estate in a field but that has been built over with new houses now).

it takes up to an hour to adjust to the lack of light by which time your senses have changed, your eyes adjust to a more subtle play of colours and your ears become tuned into the sounds around you. you become slightly more animal like, i always feel as if i am anthropromorphisising into a fox or something, also you naturally start to see shapes in the trees and shadows etc if you let go of your concentration, its lush, got to be the origins of shadowplay that.

By the time you get to the bottom you reach the gently flowing river, it reflects what light there is, and you can hear the birds in the trees, with the night sky hanging over and its a idyllic dark treat.
a better quality of darkness. http://www.darksky.org/

hint
11-12-2004, 12:40 PM
I live right out in the sticks, so I see it from the other side, I suppose.

whenever I stay with friends in a city it always spins me out - the fact that it's never really dark, the constant rumble and hum, everything still seeming so lively after 9pm.

out here, I regularly walk around with nothing but moonlight to guide me and the stars are as sharp as can be on clear nights. you're right - seeing the world by moonlight is always interesting... the grass becomes silvery, the air seems to be somehow cleaner.

I'm going to japan for 5 days in a couple of weeks and I'm expecting it to comprehensively fuck with my head. even the londoners who I've spoken to who've been tell me that they had difficulty sleeping out there. :confused:

sufi
11-12-2004, 02:19 PM
you can tell due west from any point in london, day or night, by observing the flightpaths of the planes heading for LHR

hint
11-12-2004, 02:49 PM
heh

it's gritty! it's urban!

"and if we follow this trail of rubbish left by local wildlife, we'll come to a kebab shop"

Diggedy Derek
13-12-2004, 04:15 PM
Great post mms. One weird thing about stars is that, if you go to somewhere really dark outside (I experienced this in Finland) and give your eyes time to adjust, you can see stars every where- layers and layers of them, of varying luminosity. It's got a fractal-like depth, the sky. Cosmic.

mms
13-12-2004, 05:45 PM
Great post mms. One weird thing about stars is that, if you go to somewhere really dark outside (I experienced this in Finland) and give your eyes time to adjust, you can see stars every where- layers and layers of them, of varying luminosity. It's got a fractal-like depth, the sky. Cosmic.


yeah its quite something that.
lucky going to finland, i'd love to go. i'd like to go to iceland even more, iceland seems to be a strange country, 80% of the population believe in woodland fairies and imps etc plus there are specially sectioned off areas for the "little people" and if any woodland is going to built on a fairy interpreter has to be bought in to ok it with them.
i think that's quite ace really, bonkers but great. :D

sufi
16-12-2004, 10:28 AM
i wuz in iceland this year, for an 'old religion' wedding out in the Žingvellir (http://www.randburg.com/is/thingvellir.html)
http://www.randburg.com/is/jpg/thingvellir05.jpg

i only stayed about 36 hours, & as it was May it didn't get dark til about 11, then sun came up about 3... & it never got totally dark....
I was quite steamingly drunkken by that stage anyway so astronavigation was not particularly on my mind...

but i'd HIGHLY recommend visiting reykjavik - it's a great town!