Music isn't really important anymore.
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All the big action and developments are in bombings and mutilation these days.
Check this shit out http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-20/dime_and_dimer.html
Check this shit out http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-20/dime_and_dimer.html
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the undisputed truth
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The action is on-line. Whether it be scamming shit, gaming, pimping stuff, porn or shit talking on the boards, you can find whatever action you need in seconds.
As for the important forms of expression, like HM Govt pointed out, you really can't go past violence. Nothing says i love you friend more than killing their enemy.
As for the important forms of expression, like HM Govt pointed out, you really can't go past violence. Nothing says i love you friend more than killing their enemy.
S, D, R&r
I think music is still right up there with sex and drugs. I don't think it's lost it's place in the classic trinity.
Just down the street lives a young kid, about 20, hispanic, with long haired heavy-metal rocker good looks. He practices his electric guitar a lot. Makes me feel good to see youngsters "living" their music. Reminds me of my youth. Friends come over to practice with him. Girls come over to party. Pot smoke sometimes wafts out of his windows.
So yeah, music is still important. Unless your old. Then nothing is. How old are you, swears??
I think music is still right up there with sex and drugs. I don't think it's lost it's place in the classic trinity.
Just down the street lives a young kid, about 20, hispanic, with long haired heavy-metal rocker good looks. He practices his electric guitar a lot. Makes me feel good to see youngsters "living" their music. Reminds me of my youth. Friends come over to practice with him. Girls come over to party. Pot smoke sometimes wafts out of his windows.
So yeah, music is still important. Unless your old. Then nothing is. How old are you, swears??
swears
preppy-kei
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Sheesh, that kid sounds like something from the 70s.
I'm 23.
It's as if everybody's just a sunday painter in music now. Nothing really new to say, just doing it because it feels good. Even all this hauntology stuff is an idea going back to 90s artists like Tricky and Stereolab.
Sheesh, that kid sounds like something from the 70s.
I'm 23.
It's as if everybody's just a sunday painter in music now. Nothing really new to say, just doing it because it feels good. Even all this hauntology stuff is an idea going back to 90s artists like Tricky and Stereolab.
swears
preppy-kei
I make the odd little tune on Reason and Soundforge. They're nothing special.
If it wasn't important still, would you really be here posting that it's not?
It's quite clearly important to you in some way. Dig deeper. I don't think you can write off music like this.
Expanding this to mean that music isn't really where it's at in the geopolitical climate then you're right of course but surely that's not really the point.
I still find music to be utterly vital and exciting and consequently important, both to me and as art and a product of where society is currently.
It's quite clearly important to you in some way. Dig deeper. I don't think you can write off music like this.
Expanding this to mean that music isn't really where it's at in the geopolitical climate then you're right of course but surely that's not really the point.
I still find music to be utterly vital and exciting and consequently important, both to me and as art and a product of where society is currently.
the undisputed truth
Banned
Posting on message boards doesn't neccessarily equate to musical importance. The music has little to do with it in some cases. I post and discuss for many reasons, importance of discussion about music isn't high on the priority list.
To each their own. I could take it or leave it. I think the point is there isn't enough vitality and excitement and in the general geo political climate it really does seem for the most part shallow and superficial to want to party while ship goes down.
I'm reminded of the Joe Walsh song 'bubbles' from his excellent 1985 'confessor' album
“Bubbles” by Joe Walsh
Floating on a bubble while the world goes down the drain.
Somebody pulled the plug, the dirty dishes still remain.
And when the bubble bursts that’s the worst for those who play dirty games.
While the world goes down the drain, down the drain.
Floating on a bubble, slipping on the soap,
Standing in the tub insane.
While the world goes down the drain.
And that’s the rub, reality is so hard to explain.
Meanwhile the world goes down the drain, down the drain.
So I’m floating on a bubble while the world goes down the drain.
Slipping on the soap, running out of rope,
But all and all I can’t complain,
And that’s the rub according to the rules of the game.
The world’s going down the drain,
When the bubble bursts you might as well drink the cork and pop the champagne.
When the bubble bursts, the world goes down the drain.
and 'the confessor' itself
“The Confessor” by Joe Walsh
If you look at your reflection in the bottom of a well,
What you see is only on the surface.
When you try to see the meaning hidden underneath,
The measure of the depth can be deceiving.
The bottom has a rocky reputation.
You can feel it in the distance, the deeper down you stare.
From up above it's hard to see but you know it when you're there.
On the bottom words are shallow, on the surface talk is cheap.
You can only judge the distance by the company you keep.
In the eyes of the Confessor.
In the eyes of the Confessor,
There's no place you can hide.
You can't hide from the eyes (of the Confessor)
Don't you even try.
In the eyes of the Confessor
You can't tell a lie,
You cannot tell a lie (to the Confessor)
Strip you down to size,
Naked as the day that you were born,
Naked as the day that you were born.
Take all the trauma, drama, comments,
The guilt and doubt and shame.
The what if's and if only's,
The shackles and the chains,
The violence and aggression,
The pettiness and scorn,
The jealousy and hatred,
The tempest and discord,
And give it up!
what can we say that hasn't been said by others much more eloquently and put to music ?
To each their own. I could take it or leave it. I think the point is there isn't enough vitality and excitement and in the general geo political climate it really does seem for the most part shallow and superficial to want to party while ship goes down.
I'm reminded of the Joe Walsh song 'bubbles' from his excellent 1985 'confessor' album
“Bubbles” by Joe Walsh
Floating on a bubble while the world goes down the drain.
Somebody pulled the plug, the dirty dishes still remain.
And when the bubble bursts that’s the worst for those who play dirty games.
While the world goes down the drain, down the drain.
Floating on a bubble, slipping on the soap,
Standing in the tub insane.
While the world goes down the drain.
And that’s the rub, reality is so hard to explain.
Meanwhile the world goes down the drain, down the drain.
So I’m floating on a bubble while the world goes down the drain.
Slipping on the soap, running out of rope,
But all and all I can’t complain,
And that’s the rub according to the rules of the game.
The world’s going down the drain,
When the bubble bursts you might as well drink the cork and pop the champagne.
When the bubble bursts, the world goes down the drain.
and 'the confessor' itself
“The Confessor” by Joe Walsh
If you look at your reflection in the bottom of a well,
What you see is only on the surface.
When you try to see the meaning hidden underneath,
The measure of the depth can be deceiving.
The bottom has a rocky reputation.
You can feel it in the distance, the deeper down you stare.
From up above it's hard to see but you know it when you're there.
On the bottom words are shallow, on the surface talk is cheap.
You can only judge the distance by the company you keep.
In the eyes of the Confessor.
In the eyes of the Confessor,
There's no place you can hide.
You can't hide from the eyes (of the Confessor)
Don't you even try.
In the eyes of the Confessor
You can't tell a lie,
You cannot tell a lie (to the Confessor)
Strip you down to size,
Naked as the day that you were born,
Naked as the day that you were born.
Take all the trauma, drama, comments,
The guilt and doubt and shame.
The what if's and if only's,
The shackles and the chains,
The violence and aggression,
The pettiness and scorn,
The jealousy and hatred,
The tempest and discord,
And give it up!
what can we say that hasn't been said by others much more eloquently and put to music ?
the undisputed truth
Banned
^but you should hear it put to music. 
hint
party record with a siren
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
That's why they call him Sick Boy!
It's true. Just as pop has swung back towards the guitar at the expense of digital, 'insurgents' in Iraq have resorted to setting off roadside bombs with unjammable lengths of string rather than jammable remote control electronics. Analogue wins again.
I think part of the reason that it seems there's no meaningful, culturally-defining, mainstream music movement right now, is that people just don't get as mystified by music as they did in the 20th century.
The 20th century was an era of modernist movements that were in some ways trying to fill the role of religion, with new ideologies and meanings.
Rock n roll (and punk, metal, rave, etc) was kind of like one of these movements in a way. "Rock n roll is my religion, maaan." In a meaningless consumer society, musical movements gave a sense of importance and meaning to the kids. Now, after seeing so many of our precious musical movements killed off by new trends, it's hard to take them as seriously as we once did. How can you enjoy metal anymore without a bit of irony? Rock n roll wasn't the end all any more than science and technology solved all of our problems.
Then there's the fact that people just don't stick to one music cult with the same dedication as say the old punks or metalheads now that we're exposed to all past and present genres via filesharing and music blogs. We realize that there's good music in every style... further taking away the sense of real importance in any particular subgenres in our eyes. Everyone I know listens to a little bit of everything now.
So in a sense I guess you could say that irony, eclecticism, and nostalgia really are the defining characteristics of our time... therefore indie really is the expression of this decade, like it or not.
The 20th century was an era of modernist movements that were in some ways trying to fill the role of religion, with new ideologies and meanings.
Rock n roll (and punk, metal, rave, etc) was kind of like one of these movements in a way. "Rock n roll is my religion, maaan." In a meaningless consumer society, musical movements gave a sense of importance and meaning to the kids. Now, after seeing so many of our precious musical movements killed off by new trends, it's hard to take them as seriously as we once did. How can you enjoy metal anymore without a bit of irony? Rock n roll wasn't the end all any more than science and technology solved all of our problems.
Then there's the fact that people just don't stick to one music cult with the same dedication as say the old punks or metalheads now that we're exposed to all past and present genres via filesharing and music blogs. We realize that there's good music in every style... further taking away the sense of real importance in any particular subgenres in our eyes. Everyone I know listens to a little bit of everything now.
So in a sense I guess you could say that irony, eclecticism, and nostalgia really are the defining characteristics of our time... therefore indie really is the expression of this decade, like it or not.
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