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Martin Dust
23-05-2007, 10:41 PM
People who sign emails and posts at the end with: Peace
People who talk too loud
People who are late
People who call and don't leave a message
and sometimes just People...

Edward
23-05-2007, 10:44 PM
I am guilty of one and four.
I hate talking to phones.
PEACE

Martin Dust
23-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Why tho, it's very techno Edward


PS, on that mix you did with Ceephax there's an electro track with male and female vocal, which has something like the following line "You're dreaming of female, while reading your email" What the the tune?

Martin Dust
23-05-2007, 10:50 PM
and

Too much talk early in the morning or while eating...

don_quixote
24-05-2007, 12:33 AM
definitely guilty of 4, i hate leaving messages. i'll probably text message instead tho

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 01:43 AM
I try really hard not to do no. 4, so I sometimes end up leaving really inane, babbling messages just so as not to be saying nothing.

"Anyway, gotta get to bed now, can't really think of anything else to, er, say, so I guess I'll catch you on here tomorrow, I guess, er, probably. OK, right, bye then - war!"

Martin Dust
24-05-2007, 07:49 AM
Rover Drivers and double if they are wearing a hat
People who never read the manual but think I'm called tech support
People who ignore cues at airports

sufi
24-05-2007, 10:31 AM
people who write
'i would say that...' at the start of their sentence & other such pompousness

THIS IS NOT .DEB.SOC at yr UNI:mad: - just say what yr saying ok

martin
24-05-2007, 10:49 AM
I don't leave messages. I'm sorry, but if you're too fucking lazy to raise a phone to your ear, why should I then have to put up with some condescending cyborg telling me I can leave a message after the tone? Like, no, I fucking can't actually - I'm busy.

Martin Dust
24-05-2007, 11:23 AM
I don't leave messages. I'm sorry, but if you're too fucking lazy to raise a phone to your ear, why should I then have to put up with some condescending cyborg telling me I can leave a message after the tone? Like, no, I fucking can't actually - I'm busy.

Machine hate :) I always leave messages and always pick up if I'm there...

Edward
24-05-2007, 11:26 AM
I dislike it when people say "as a person"

"He's very nice as a person but his opinions on x....."
"Speaking as a person, I think that....."

Everyone is a person.
Also on planes when they say "please ask myself or one of my colleagues".
As if "myself" sounds more official than the correct word which is "me".


Martin Dust, the record in question is this:
http://www.discogs.com/release/23431

Martin Dust
24-05-2007, 11:51 AM
http://www.discogs.com/release/23431

Tune :)

And also people who say thing like "How So" makes me want to answer "Because you Cnut" ;)

Lichen
24-05-2007, 12:13 PM
When you answer the 'phone and the person at the other end asks:

"Is xxxx there at all"

They're either there, or they're not fucxxn there.

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 02:05 PM
people who write
'i would say that...' at the start of their sentence & other such pompousness

THIS IS NOT .DEB.SOC at yr UNI:mad: - just say what yr saying ok

Come on - is that even remotely as annoying as stupid AOL/txt-spk abbreviations like 'yr'? :mad:

vimothy
24-05-2007, 02:08 PM
Come on - is that even remotely as annoying as stupid AOL/txt-spk abbreviations like 'yr'? :mad:

I thought that "yr" was a Sonic Youth reference (Xpressway to yr Skull)

Grievous Angel
24-05-2007, 02:37 PM
BMW drivers talking on the phone while taking up the whole fucking road and not looking where they are going.

Cunts.

Definitely a grumpy old man moment for me.

martin
24-05-2007, 02:53 PM
I hate it when you take an Italian riot grrrl with a beehive to some pizza joint which is trying to be classy, and you each order "garlic bread" for starters, and then the bloke brings over two plates - each the size of a pizza - with doughy garlic bread discs that look like cowpats and each of which could feed a family of six. You feel like yelling, "For fuck's sake, why did you let us order two when one would have been too much? Couldn't you have just said "They're not like the stuff you get in Pizza Hut?"". Do I have to ask everything round here?

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 02:56 PM
I thought that "yr" was a Sonic Youth reference (Xpressway to yr Skull)

no idea m8 lol :)

sufi
24-05-2007, 03:32 PM
people who write
'i would say that...' at the start of their sentence & other such pompousness

THIS IS NOT .DEB.SOC at yr UNI:mad: - just say what yr saying okCome on - is that even remotely as annoying as stupid AOL/txt-spk abbreviations like 'yr'? :mad:
yes sorry about that
2 sides of the same coin i guess:p

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 03:37 PM
The . in 'alt.country'. For fuck's sake, WHY? It's not part of a URL, is it? Sheesh.
In fact, I'm going to nominated the very concept of 'alt.country' in its entirety.

Also, you sometimes see a company described (historically, perhaps) as a '.dotcom'. Now say it out loud: dotdotcom. What the fuck is a dotdotcom? It's even worse than 'PIN number' (personal identification number number).

AND ANOTHER THING: the phrase "both the same". How can one thing be 'the same'? The "both" is totally redundant. Gah.

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 03:38 PM
And don't get me fucking started on "could of"/"should of", misplaced apostrophes, 'definately', 'lazer', 'euthenasia'...

zhao
24-05-2007, 03:41 PM
uptight euro upper class rigid little rules for every social function - how to dress, what shoes to wear with what jacket in what season. especially when it comes to dining - why oh why are you horrified if i have another helping of pasta AFTER i finish my creme brule??!! there is a midnight sausage snack coming up in 20 minutes ANYWAY.

in China everyone rich or poor slurps their noodles. and that's the way it should be! :mad:

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 03:43 PM
uptight euro upper class rigid little rules for every social function - how to dress, what shoes to wear with what jacket in what season. especially when it comes to dining - why oh why are you horrified if i have another helping of pasta AFTER i finish my creme brule??!! there is a midnight sausage snack coming up in 20 minutes ANYWAY.
Does anyone outside of actual royal families still behave like that, though? Have you slipped through a timewarp into the 1920s?

Also, people in China eat dog's-dick soup, doesn't mean it's a good thing... :)

zhao
24-05-2007, 04:04 PM
Does anyone outside of actual royal families still behave like that, though? Have you slipped through a timewarp into the 1920s?

Also, people in China eat dog's-dick soup, doesn't mean it's a good thing... :)

was at a fancy party last night and this girl was like "OK I don't know you" (half jokingly) after i took the post-desert pasta. i was also wearing an all white outfit, with light-beige jacket and hat, thinking it's a summer time party and everything -- but all other males in the room were weating dark suits (maybe white is strickly for brunches and afternoon tea and when it comes to dinner, no matter what season, guys should wear dark colors?), so i got a few funny looks.

ettiquitte and decorum can be well elegant and fun, but sometimes it's a bit oppressive.

re: dog dick in China - only a tiny little region of the country traditionally has dog and cat on the menu, as a delicasee, like bird's nest soup or shark fin, though now it's become more popular in the big cities because of tourism. and that's another western stupid: just because it's cute we shouldn't it? baby chickens, cows, pigs are all cute. hypocrites!

(the japanese eating dolphins, how ever, is utterly abhorrent)

tryptych
24-05-2007, 04:04 PM
uptight euro upper class rigid little rules for every social function - how to dress, what shoes to wear with what jacket in what season. especially when it comes to dining - why oh why are you horrified if i have another helping of pasta AFTER i finish my creme brule??!! there is a midnight sausage snack coming up in 20 minutes ANYWAY.

in China everyone rich or poor slurps their noodles. and that's the way it should be! :mad:

You're surely not trying to tell us that there's no formal dining conventions among upper class society in the east... come on..

zhao
24-05-2007, 04:05 PM
You're surely not trying to tell us that there's no formal dining conventions among upper class society in the east... come on..

there are... you're right. I'm not mad at all, just thought it was funny mostly

IdleRich
24-05-2007, 04:23 PM
"dog dick in China - only a tiny little region of the country traditionally has dog and cat on the menu, as a delicasee, like bird's nest soup or shark fin, though now it's become more popular in the big cities because of tourism. and that's another western stupid: just because it's cute we shouldn't it? baby chickens, cows, pigs are all cute. hypocrites!"
I'm guessing that Mr Tea has a problem with eating dick, not the fact that dogs are cute.

vimothy
24-05-2007, 04:50 PM
Idlerich hassling me about my spelling.

IdleRich
24-05-2007, 04:56 PM
"Idlerich hassling me about my spelling."
Come on, I completely ignored your "board" for "bored" - oh whoops.

sufi
24-05-2007, 04:59 PM
Idlerich hassling me about my spelling.
um should'nt that be a big R in IdleRich ? :slanted:

vimothy
24-05-2007, 04:59 PM
Curses... In the words of charlie brown, "always the basson!"

sufi
24-05-2007, 05:13 PM
http://www.rcenter.org/Images/PerformingArts/CharlieBrownPsychiatrist.jpg

Edward
24-05-2007, 05:29 PM
They look so unlike the Peanuts characters.... as if they were chosen deliberately to look nothing like lucy & charlie brown.

swears
24-05-2007, 05:58 PM
uptight euro upper class rigid little rules for every social function - how to dress, what shoes to wear with what jacket in what season. especially when it comes to dining - why oh why are you horrified if i have another helping of pasta AFTER i finish my creme brule??!! there is a midnight sausage snack coming up in 20 minutes ANYWAY.



haha..I love all that shit. Knowing the "rules" really impresses the girls too, and I need all the help I can get.

mistersloane
24-05-2007, 06:28 PM
I'm guessing that Mr Tea has a problem with eating dick, not the fact that dogs are cute.

lol

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 06:29 PM
re: dog dick in China - only a tiny little region of the country traditionally has dog and cat on the menu, as a delicasee, like bird's nest soup or shark fin, though now it's become more popular in the big cities because of tourism. and that's another western stupid: just because it's cute we shouldn't it? baby chickens, cows, pigs are all cute. hypocrites!

You mis-understand me: I'm not objecting becayse it's 'cute', I'm objecting because it's disgusting!
(it was the 'dick' bit, rather than the 'dog' bit, I was getting at. :) Plus, I bet dophlin tastes awesome...)
And let's not forget the species being driven to extinction because their ovaries or hypothalamuses are a vital ingredient in 'traditional Chinese medicine'... :slanted:

Edit: why is it that eating doplhin is 'abhorrent', btw? I mean, if a particular species of dolphin is on the verge of extinction, that's fair enough - although the same thing can be said of the distinctly non-cute North Sea cod.
So unless they're about to die out, you seem to be guilty of exactly the same 'cuteness bias' you dismiss as a Western hypocrisy?

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 06:50 PM
I'm guessing that Mr Tea has a problem with eating dick, not the fact that dogs are cute.

*nyom nyom nyom* :D

zhao
24-05-2007, 09:11 PM
haha..I love all that shit. Knowing the "rules" really impresses the girls too, and I need all the help I can get.

yeah i can see myself getting into it too. it's like figure skating, precarious, yes, but when it becomes natural it's nice. hmmm maybe an ettiquette thread...

Edward
24-05-2007, 10:12 PM
As a child i was very taken with this line on a Talking Heads record sleeve that I saw in WHSmiths:

"table manners are for people with nothing better to do"

I had it all drummed into me by my very class-conscious mum. I know exactly which fork to pick up.
on the other hand she also taught me useful stuff like how to read and how to put on a record.

Mr. Tea
24-05-2007, 11:26 PM
on the other hand she also taught me useful stuff like how to read and how to put on a record.

That neatly sums up the two most important life skills of any self-respecting Dissensian!

IdleRich
25-05-2007, 09:09 AM
"table manners are for people with nothing better to do"
I was under the impression that originally manners were invented as a way to behave to make people feel comfortable, it's now become so twisted round that they are used by those who know as a way to make others who don't feel uncomfortable.


"Knowing the "rules" really impresses the girls too, and I need all the help I can get."
This is a recurring theme with you Swears, are you really ugly or something? What's the problem?


why is it that eating doplhin is 'abhorrent', btw?
Again I'd be guessing but I reckon that Zhao thinks that because of their intelligence level.

Martin Dust
25-05-2007, 09:15 AM
When you give someone a quote for a job and they come back 3 times trying to shave costs off.

bassnation
25-05-2007, 09:25 AM
BMW drivers talking on the phone while taking up the whole fucking road and not looking where they are going.

Cunts.

Definitely a grumpy old man moment for me.

that has to be the most openly flouted law in the uk - some days it seems like every driver i see in london is on the phone while driving.

Lichen
25-05-2007, 10:06 AM
Mercurial tradesmen:mad:

John Doe
25-05-2007, 10:58 AM
I was under the impression that originally manners were invented as a way to behave to make people feel comfortable, it's now become so twisted round that they are used by those who know as a way to make others who don't feel uncomfortable.
.

I'd recommend you read Levi-Strauss's essay 'On the Origin of Table Manners' in The Raw & The Cooked - very illuminating.

STN
25-05-2007, 11:09 AM
People who want to watch a video when everyone's drunk round someone's house and enjoying themselves, thereby ruining the mood and boring everyone senseless. People like this are always weirdly insistent about it too. It's especially irksome if some sort of 'compromise' is reached (e.g. 'let's turn the sound down and do the voices for the characters ourselves!'.) Watching it with the sound down and an album on invariably leads to 'wow, the music and the film are.... in sync with one another, amaaaaazing' and if you're really unlucky, a tiresome discussion about Pink Floyd and the Wizard of bloody Oz.

martin
25-05-2007, 11:25 AM
in China everyone rich or poor slurps their noodles. and that's the way it should be! :mad:

I agree. I used to take great delight in humming popular tunes as I ate my bangers and mash, and I have nothing but contempt for the teachers who told me to stop. I don't do it anymore, and it's a great loss.

swears
25-05-2007, 11:37 AM
This is a recurring theme with you Swears, are you really ugly or something? What's the problem?



lol

I just have a self-depreciating sense of humour, which people often confuse for me being suicidally depressed or something. :s

zhao
25-05-2007, 11:56 AM
Again I'd be guessing but I reckon that Zhao thinks that because of their intelligence level.

yes. also beause of how playful and friendly they are to humans. i used to see them playing off the coast of Malibu all the time, flipping in and out of the waves. and many friends have swam out and wild dolphins are almost always thrilled and delighted to have a human swimming with them (other times they just swim by). they would do laps around, jump over them, and nudge them playfully with their noses. I mean all together they are just such beautiful and delightful creatures, naturally of a good dispostion (rather than trained to be obedient).

how many large animals which can easily kill us and eat us treat us with this level of respect? and welcome us to participate in their games? always, without exception.

there has never been any case of dolphins attacking humans -- the few angry people on the internet who sustained minor injuries from playing with dolphins are always cases of dolphins playing too rough with them; and even in the case of those 2 brazillians provoking the dolphins and annoying them, all they did was head-butt them, never bite with their razor sharp teeth.

and of course all the stories of them helping humans in emergency situations.

fuck off if anyone is so lost in their stupid blind cynicism that they think this is just a lot of "new age bollocks"

IdleRich
25-05-2007, 12:54 PM
"also beause of how playful and friendly they are to humans"
Well so are dogs, that does seem like a bit of a double-standard to me. I was surprised when I found out that dolphins commit gang-rape (although I'm not sure whether they watch pornography).


"I just have a self-depreciating sense of humour, which people often confuse for me being suicidally depressed or something."
Just being nosey really.

zhao
25-05-2007, 01:34 PM
Well so are dogs, that does seem like a bit of a double-standard to me.


no. it is not.

because dogs are bred and trained to be obedient. dogs are a domesticated species created by humans. they do not exist in the wild. they are also smaller than us and can not easily overpower us physically.

wild dolphins can easily kill us and eat us, but are always good to us because they want to be.

IdleRich
25-05-2007, 01:48 PM
"because dogs are bred and trained to be obedient. dogs are a domesticated species created by humans. they do not exist in the wild. they are also smaller than us and can not easily overpower us physically."
OK, so it's not the friendliness you value as such but the fact that they choose to be friendly.

Mr. Tea
25-05-2007, 02:00 PM
yes. also beause of how playful and friendly they are to humans.
I don't really see why this is any less arbitrary a distinction than 'cuteness'.

zhao
25-05-2007, 03:13 PM
I don't really see why this is any less arbitrary a distinction than 'cuteness'.

they respect us, thus we should respect them back. simple.

unless you are a complete asshole, this is what you do, no? return kindness?

Mr. Tea
25-05-2007, 03:20 PM
they respect us, thus we should respect them back. simple.

unless you are a complete asshole, this is what you do, no? return kindness?

Well hang on a minute, here. I can't think of any instances of a dolphin being kind to me, personally. I'm sure there are instances of all kinds of animals being 'kind' to people, if it even makes sense to use such an anthropocentric term (let alone 'respect'!) in relation to non-human animals.

noel emits
25-05-2007, 03:45 PM
What's it got to do with Dolphins being cute? There's a good chance they are at least as intelligent and conscious as erm some of us 'umans are.

Mr. Tea
25-05-2007, 04:11 PM
What's it got to do with Dolphins being cute? There's a good chance they are at least as intelligent and conscious as erm some of us 'umans are.

Oh for fuck's sake. The old "we shouldn't eat intelligent animals" argument...in that case, what's to stop us eating retarded humans? Mmm, medium-rare mong rump...

IdleRich
25-05-2007, 04:43 PM
"Oh for fuck's sake. The old "we shouldn't eat intelligent animals" argument...in that case, what's to stop us eating retarded humans? Mmm, medium-rare mong rump..."
I think that you've got your logic the wrong way round there Tea.
Anyway if somehow you were offered human meat wouldn't you be even slightly tempted?

Freakaholic
25-05-2007, 07:07 PM
....People who try to force me to dance. Assuming that i cant have fun without dancing cuz they are, assuming that im not having fun cuz im not dancing, assuming that i really want to but am too shy to, and many other things. usually makes me want to leave the party or club right then and there.

noel emits
25-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Oh for fuck's sake. The old "we shouldn't eat intelligent animals" argument...in that case, what's to stop us eating retarded humans? Mmm, medium-rare mong rump...

Do you really want to risk eating what might be the ONLY intelligent non-insane lifeform on the planet? We may not meet extraterrestrials for a very long time but these guys are right under our noses. I think we have a fairly good idea of how smart dogs are :slanted:

Actually I mostly avoid eating any animals but eating ones that could teach us something seems really really wrong.

Mr. Tea
25-05-2007, 08:48 PM
Do you really want to risk eating what might be the ONLY intelligent non-insane lifeform on the planet? We may not meet extraterrestrials for a very long time but these guys are right under our noses. I think we have a fairly good idea of how smart dogs are :slanted:

Actually I mostly avoid eating any animals but eating ones that could teach us something seems really really wrong.

Dolphins are waaaay overrated. Have you been reading John Lilly?
Sharks are infinitely cooler than dolphins, but how often do you hear people banging on about saving sharks, (several species of which are badly endangered)?

Dolphins: boisterous, squeaky creatures beloved by hippies; basically marine spaniels, with a nasty sideline in gang rape but a great PR team to gloss it over.
Sharks: silent, efficient, cold-blooded, dead-eyed killing machines.

There's simply no contest.

Edit: what can dolphins 'teach' us, exactly? I'm basically cool with the fact that I can't balance a ball on the tip of my nose, and I don't think I have the requisite organs to locate objects by sonar, no matter how badly I wanted to. I really dislike this lazy fetishism of animals as 'superior to people' because they, like, live in harmony with nature, maaan...the reason humans are the dominant species on the planet is that we're the most evolutionarily successful. To put it another way, the reason pandas are almost extinct is basically because they're shit. In the game of natural selection (of which humans are a part, being no less 'natural' than any other species), they simply haven't made the grade. That's not to say we shouldn't be making a big effort to save their habitats and stop them from dying out, because people are sentimental about animals and it would make lots of people very sad if they went extinct. The same goes for dolphins, I'm certainly not advocated killing them all, far from it - I'm just saying it's stupid to hold them up as some sort of role model for human behaviour. The only reason they're not massively over-reproducing, waging war and depleting natural resources is because there are hardly any of them (compared to us) and because they don't have a material culture. If they did, they'd be doing just what we're doing. In fact, they'd be us.

Immryr
25-05-2007, 08:50 PM
basically marine spaniels


haha

Martin Dust
25-05-2007, 09:14 PM
I'd eat one and I love how humans project that they know what animals are thinking - christ the frames of reference must be mental.

zhao
25-05-2007, 10:22 PM
Well hang on a minute, here. I can't think of any instances of a dolphin being kind to me, personally.

this is just idiotic.


I'm sure there are instances of all kinds of animals being 'kind' to people, if it even makes sense to use such an anthropocentric term (let alone 'respect'!) in relation to non-human animals.

no other animals that can easily kill us and eat us will play with us instead. what ever the fuck you want to call it, they are NICE to humans.

edit:

above is just the simple fact anyone can see plainly. I'm not even going to go into the incredibly complex sonar communication systems and social structure and bizarre brain-waves that we haven't even started to understand.

mistersloane
25-05-2007, 10:59 PM
I don't think I have the requisite organs to locate objects by sonar, no matter how badly I wanted to. .[/I]

You totally do, check out Ben Underwood

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,26334,1212568,00.html

Mr. Tea
26-05-2007, 02:18 AM
You totally do, check out Ben Underwood

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,26334,1212568,00.html

I bet he plays a mean pinball!

Eric
26-05-2007, 07:52 AM
(the japanese eating dolphins, how ever, is utterly abhorrent)

is this meant to be something common? after a number of years here I have never seen or even heard of such a thing ...

zhao
26-05-2007, 10:28 AM
is this meant to be something common? after a number of years here I have never seen or even heard of such a thing ...

following is an email from a friend. the videos are absolutely bloodcurdling and horrific. watch with caution.
_____________________________________________
"The [Japanese dolphin] drive hunts are without doubt the most brutal way to hunt or capture dolphins anywhere in the world." - Naomi Rose, marine mammal scientist.

In spite of an international outcry, dolphin killing continues in several Japanese fishing villages, including Futo and Taiji, encouraged by the government. More than 20,000 dolphins are brutally killed each year, documented in disturbing video footage that can be found on YouTube. These mass killings have been condemned by marine biologists as inhumane and unethical.

Some of the hunted species are endangered. The meat is not a favorite food of the Japanese, and it is too contaminated for safe human consumption. Scientists and zoologists condemn these hunts as a way to collect living specimens. There is no evidence that the dolphins harm Japan’s commercial fisheries by eating fish. So why do these hunts continue? A very few fishermen make a lot of money selling the mercury poisened dolphin meat as well as a small number of live dolphins for shows.

The dolphins cannot defend themselves against the technology of the fishermen, nor can they speak our human languages. They need human friends to take action to protect them from this completely unnecessary suffering. It is our mission to work to protect these dolphins from our human brothers and sisters who have lost their ability to feel the suffering of others.

What can we do? Mahatma Gandhi showed us the power of seeking and speaking the truth in creating social change. We can help to tell the truth about this atrocity and we can tell the Japanese authorities how we feel about it. We can learn ourselves about the fate of the dolphins, and we can tell our friends about it. When enough people know, the killing will stop. Here are some steps you can take.

1) These are web pages where you can learn about what is happening to the dolphins in Japan:

http://takeaction.oceana.org/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=5322

http://www.theoceanproject.org/actfordolphins/scientists-statementpdf

http://www.savejapandolphins.org

http://www.seashepherd.org/taiji/taiji_ruthless_killing.html

http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0919-wcs.html



2) Watch these videos to see what the dolphins suffer (warning: these are very disturbing):

http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCx0ORuDZFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxavbL56GyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUtkQud8ho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVsP27hGWrU

3) If you can, giving money is a very big help to saving the dolphins:

To help the Taiji dolphins:

http://www.earthisland.org/saveTaijiDolphins/contribute.html

To help cetacians around the world:

http://www.bluevoice.org/donate.shtml

http://www.seashepherd.org/donate.html



4) Signing these online petitions sends a message to the Japanese authorities:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/427037941?ltl=1173998914

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/593501908?ltl=1174002907



5) You can also contact these officials to stop the slaughter:

Los Angeles Consulate of Japan: info@la-cgjapan.org

Japanese Embassy, Washington, D.C.: jicc@embjapan.org

Mr. Shoichi Nakagawa webmaster@meti.go.jp Fax: +81-3-3501-6942

Mr. Kazataka Sangen taiji@town.taiji.wakayama.jp Fax: +81-735-59-2801

Mr. Yoshiki Kimura e0006001@pref.wakayama.lg.jp

Embassy of Japan, Washington D.C.

Tel: (202) 238-6700

Fax: (202) 328-2187

Eric
26-05-2007, 11:21 AM
crazy. never heard of such a thing. certainly i have never seen dolphin meat for sale here ANYWHERE ... maybe it is something regional? (people from tokyo were mentioned on those sites as never having heard of these practices ..) where are these places anyway?

sufi
26-05-2007, 12:02 PM
meat-eating of all kinds of meat is deeply questonable, as is hunting & extinctions are definitely not good
but
dolphins are not especially cuddly if youre a mackerel, they're voracious hunters themselves...it knocked my picture of dolphin innocence a bit when i heard that male dolphins are well known to develop impressive stiffys & become quite pushy when they're swimming with people...
my only dolphin experience is of waking up hungry on a boat in the middle of the mediterranean and seeing a shoal of jumping dolphins and thinking....mmm breakfast :)

zhao
26-05-2007, 01:07 PM
and you can add to list of dolphin crimes the derailing of this thread...

Martin Dust
26-05-2007, 04:03 PM
Anyway....

People on trains who sit next to you when the whole carriage is empty.

Mr. Tea
26-05-2007, 04:05 PM
Misuse/overuse of the word 'random'.

gek-opel
26-05-2007, 04:50 PM
Dolphins are waaaay overrated. Have you been reading John Lilly?
Sharks are infinitely cooler than dolphins, but how often do you hear people banging on about saving sharks, (several species of which are badly endangered)?

Dolphins: boisterous, squeaky creatures beloved by hippies; basically marine spaniels, with a nasty sideline in gang rape but a great PR team to gloss it over.
Sharks: silent, efficient, cold-blooded, dead-eyed killing machines.

There's simply no contest.



Fibnally Mr Tea talks (a modicum) of sense. The mass resistance to the idea of dolphins as bullying, raping little shits alarms me. I'd probably eat either of them (shark/dolphin) given a chance tho...

Lichen
26-05-2007, 05:11 PM
Misuse/overuse of the word 'random'.

good one. and here's something i've mentioned before...


unremitting use of the phrase "in terms of"


And a more recent dislike:


people who say "peruse" when "look at" will do fine.


I also resent small cubes of avocado (well, the chopper, not the fruit); I believe it shoud be sliced thickly and sideways.

mistersloane
26-05-2007, 05:16 PM
I also resent small cubes of avocado (well, the chopper, not the fruit); I believe it shoud be sliced thickly and sideways.

I love the idea of someone resenting advocado.

gek-opel
26-05-2007, 05:16 PM
Cucumber. Potatoes.

HATE.

Lichen
26-05-2007, 05:18 PM
meat-eating of all kinds of meat is deeply questonable


I heard a fellow the other day on the radio saying that "we eat as though it were a feast day, everyday". That's spot on. The frequency with which we eat meat is the problem, not the fact that eat meat at all. IMNSHO.

Mr. Tea
26-05-2007, 05:50 PM
Sorry to drag the thread back to dolphins, but I just remembered this: one of the very few 'funny' tee-shirts I've ever seen that's actually funny...
http://www.threadpit.com/photos/all_styles/195.gif

zhao
26-05-2007, 06:43 PM
"we eat as though it were a feast day, everyday".

to keep from further derailing the discussions of petty annoyances, i have replied to above here (http://dissensus.com/showthread.php?p=88711#post88711)

Mr. Tea
26-05-2007, 11:02 PM
Gangs of pissed-up chav cunts who almost start on you when you're walking home from the pub, minding your own business. :(

Still, not quite as bad as gangs of pissed-up chav cunts who actually start on you when you're walking home from the pub, minding your own business. Thankfully.

mistersloane
26-05-2007, 11:48 PM
Cucumber. Potatoes.

HATE.

Yeah! There's totally not enough vegetable resentment in the world. Soil-sprouting bastards.

Martin Dust
28-05-2007, 11:10 AM
People who feel the need to play all their ringtones on public transport - not funny mate.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 02:53 PM
OK, quite a big list here, if we're talking about abuses of language...

- Irritating malapropisms, like using "decimated" for "devastated" and "disinterested" for "uninterested", which are so commonly used they're actually starting to assume the meanings of the words they're mistaken for.

- That most hideous of all clichés, "giving 100-and-x percent" - this is so frequently used that if you now say someone gave a 'mere' 100%, it sounds like they did't really try that hard at all. Footballers and their managers are extremely prone to this.

- In fact, some footballers seem to have perfected a form of English consisting almost entirely of clichés: "Well it was a game of two halves but we gave 110% and at the end of the day we got a result." AAAARRGGHHH!!!!

- Speaking of clichés, it annoys me the way Americans often use the stem of a verb as an adjective, rather than the past participle - for example, describing something as 'cliché' (rather than 'clichéd'), or calling a person 'tan' (rather than 'tanned').

- Another American usage that does my head in is "I could care less", when they mean "I couldn't care less". I mean, come on, it's not that fucking difficult, is it? :confused:

- And pronunciation of words like "herb" and "human" as "erb" and "uman", to the point where people actually say things like "an erb". Like the old "an hotel" you sometimes hear in UK English. Dammit people, English != French...

- Oh, and I was talking to someone the other day who said "that's the exception that proves the rule". Well think about it for a moment - an exception disproves a rule, doesn't it? The word 'prove' in the original phrase actually means 'test'.

Immryr
29-05-2007, 02:56 PM
- Another American usage that does my head in is "I could care less", when they mean "I couldn't care less". I mean, come on, it's not that fucking difficult, is it? :confused:


this does my head in no end. i often think maybe im being a little too anal with how much it annoys me, then i realise, yes, i am being anal. and im fine with that!

Edward
29-05-2007, 03:06 PM
using "decimated" for "devastated" and "disinterested"

agreed but i love using "dessicated" instead.
also i enjoy saying "ezackly" instead of exactly even though I am quite capable getting it right.


"that's the exception that proves the rule". Well think about it for a moment - an exception disproves a rule, doesn't it? The word 'prove' in the original phrase actually means 'test'.

surely this is originally an ironic thing to say based on the saying "every rule has an exception".

if we're going to be pernickety, I hate the use of adjectives in the place of adverbs, such as Apple's famous "think different" (-ly)

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 03:10 PM
if we're going to be pernickety, I hate the use of adjectives in the place of adverbs, such as Apple's famous "think different" (-ly)
That's another one I love to hate. As is Sony's vaguely Yiddish "Go create" (grrrr...).

STN
29-05-2007, 03:15 PM
I dislike it when a pub, restaurant or cafe is lauded as 'authentic' and 'no-nonsense' simply because the staff are eye-gougingly and deliberately rude. The same goes for the proprietor being a 'character'.

IdleRich
29-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Another American usage that does my head in is "I could care less", when they mean "I couldn't care less". I mean, come on, it's not that fucking difficult, is it?
But isn't that often said with a question mark on the end "..and I could care less?" as if to imply "Could I? - No!" or is that just my charitable reading?



"that's the exception that proves the rule". Well think about it for a moment - an exception disproves a rule, doesn't it? The word 'prove' in the original phrase actually means 'test.'

"surely this is originally an ironic thing to say based on the saying "every rule has an exception"."
Mr Tea is correct here, the old-fashioned meaning of "prove" (in this context at least) was "test" and an exception to a rule tests that rule (to the point where it breaks). Somehow the phrase itself survived that usage of "prove" and it has now become used in the sense that Edward says as a kind of jokey validation of the rule. In another words it is now used to mean the exact opposite of what it actually does.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 03:19 PM
I dislike it when a pub, restaurant or cafe is lauded as 'authentic' and 'no-nonsense' simply because the staff are eye-gougingly and deliberately rude. The same goes for the proprietor being a 'character'.

That can be almost refreshing when you've been dining in America, with their "Hello, how are you??? My name is Marsha and I'll be your server for this evening..." :slanted: And that's without going into the fucking awful habit some of them have of hovering around your table with a big pitcher full of water, waiting until you've taken a single sip from your pint-sized glass before swooping in like a hawk to top you up? Leave me in peace for five seconds, please! I can ask for more water if I need it, OK? Jesus.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 03:21 PM
But isn't that often said with a question mark on the end "..and I could care less?" as if to imply "Could I? - No!" or is that just my charitable reading?


I think you're being very generous here - I've usually heard it with the emphasis on the 'care', making it sound very much like a statement, rather than a question.

The phrase 'horses for courses' makes my blood boil*, for some reason.


*slight exaggeration**

**but only slight!

STN
29-05-2007, 03:24 PM
I prefer a frosty middle ground...

zhao
29-05-2007, 04:24 PM
OK i am guilty of "could care less"... in fact, i had heard it so often in the US that i didn't even realize that it was wrong! will mend my slack ways and choose a righteous path for future days... redemption surely is not entirely out of reach :o

Immryr
29-05-2007, 04:32 PM
thats what makes it even worse! to me, it is absolutely impossible to think that statement could convey what is intended to. just think about it logically, if you COULD care less that implies you actually do care, which is obviously not the meaning intended in the context its used.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 04:32 PM
Confession is the first step to salvation, Brother Zhao!

gabriel
29-05-2007, 05:18 PM
i remember reading that the could care less thing in america started out as being a sarcastic/rhetorical question and then just became the phrase it is today, ie used to mean the the exact opposite of what it says

STN
29-05-2007, 05:21 PM
Gabriel, as soon as I saw this thread I thought you'd pop up with one of your pet hates, but as yet you haven't. Perhaps I've exaggerated in my mind the extent to which people saying 'Trivial Pursuits' maddens you?

noel emits
29-05-2007, 07:39 PM
Mr Tea is correct here, the old-fashioned meaning of "prove" (in this context at least) was "test" and an exception to a rule tests that rule (to the point where it breaks). Somehow the phrase itself survived that usage of "prove" and it has now become used in the sense that Edward says as a kind of jokey validation of the rule. In another words it is now used to mean the exact opposite of what it actually does.

That may be so but I think the way that phrase works now is to imply that if there is just the one exception then the rule is quite a good one, most of the time; the (singular) exception proves the rule.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 07:48 PM
I disagree, I think the way most people (mis)use the phrase is as if to imply that the rule is somehow un-'proven' until an exception is found - after which it is 'proven'. Which is obviously nonsense!

Rules, as I understand them, don't have exceptions. 'Rules of thumb' and 'guidelines' have exceptions.

noel emits
29-05-2007, 07:56 PM
Rules, as I understand them, don't have exceptions. 'Rules of thumb' and 'guidelines' have exceptions.

I knew someone would mention guidelines - I see the point.

Well that's the meaning I prefer to attach to that phrase rather than think that people go around saying something so nonsensical. It is silly.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 08:08 PM
It is silly.
Well DURR, people are silly! ;)

zhao
29-05-2007, 08:09 PM
thats what makes it even worse! to me, it is absolutely impossible to think that statement could convey what is intended to. just think about it logically, if you COULD care less that implies you actually do care, which is obviously not the meaning intended in the context its used.

well of course if i THINK about it! it's just something that you hear all the time and never crossed my mind to examine.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2007, 08:45 PM
well of course if i THINK about it! it's just something that you hear all the time and never crossed my mind to examine.

OMG you're so BRAINWASHED!!!!11 ;)

viktorvaughn
31-05-2007, 02:20 PM
agreed but i love using "dessicated" instead.
also i enjoy saying "ezackly" instead of exactly even though I am quite capable getting it right.


It's all about saying ezackly and becoming Tim Westwood for half a second.
--------
people who don't take painkillers even when they are in pain cos of some strange misguided principle.

Clip on earings - just go under the drill motherfuckers!

Those studded belts with the studs spelling out 'Jesus Rocks'. It's like taste never happened.

People who think 'subtitled' is a film genre in itself.

People who don't like eating meat or fish on the bone cos it 'reminds them of eating an animal'.

Fussy eaters.

People who's main interest/pastime is cars and/or motorbikes.

People who wear stupid matching burton shirt/tie combos all week long but then at the weekends don hooded tops with flames up the arms made by 'extreme sports'/motorbike brands cos it demonstrates they are really a bit wild at heart.

'Ethnic snacks' in supermarkets.

zhao
31-05-2007, 02:25 PM
girls who initiate the flirting and then when you ask them out play all hard to get. god i'm glad i'm not in LA anymore...

zhao
31-05-2007, 02:27 PM
People who's main interest/pastime is cars and/or motorbikes.

these need to be put out of their misery ASAP.

Mr. Tea
31-05-2007, 02:51 PM
girls who initiate the flirting and then when you ask them out play all hard to get. god i'm glad i'm not in LA anymore...

Go on, use the word 'prick-tease' - nomadologist'll be all over you in a second. ;)

swears
31-05-2007, 02:56 PM
Girls that assume you fancy them when you couldn't care less.
Need to get over themselves.

swears
31-05-2007, 03:00 PM
girls who initiate the flirting and then when you ask them out play all hard to get. god i'm glad i'm not in LA anymore...

Yeah, but some people just flirt with everyone whether they mean to or not.
It's like a habit.

Martin Dust
31-05-2007, 03:12 PM
Lukewarm pie, tsk.

martin
31-05-2007, 03:31 PM
Girls that assume you fancy them when you couldn't care less.
Need to get over themselves.

Why does it bother you? Just curious, not having a go. If you couldn't care less why would you worry about what vibe they send out?

You probably know this anyway, but if you deliberately blank a girl she'll assume you fancy her

swears
31-05-2007, 03:34 PM
Just arrogant people on the whole piss me off. I know there are a lot of men who fancy themselves too, btw.

Mr. Tea
31-05-2007, 03:34 PM
Why does it bother you? Just curious, not having a go. If you couldn't care less why would you worry about what vibe they send out?


Because it's a sign of arrogance and arrogance is generally an annoying trait in people.

martin
31-05-2007, 03:36 PM
I hate 'shit food braggarts'. Mike Oldfield reckoned he was so skint recording 'Tubular Bells', he had to eat dog food. Dog food's more expensive than milk, bread and baked beans combined, so he obviously enjoyed Pal, it certainly wasn't his only option. He could have eaten satsumas, the big 'look at me' liar.

And whenever people try and defend working class obesity by saying, "That's such a middle class attitude, these people are so poor they can't buy healthy food". EH? Have you seen how much fried chicken and kebabs cost? So basically, working class people can't cook - what a load of toss.

martin
31-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Just arrogant people on the whole piss me off. I know there are a lot of men who fancy themselves too, btw.

MR TEA ADDED (how do you do multiple quotes here?) -" Because it's a sign of arrogance and arrogance is generally an annoying trait in people."

Fair enough. They are cunts.

Mr. Tea
31-05-2007, 03:43 PM
And whenever people try and defend working class obesity by saying, "That's such a middle class attitude, these people are so poor they can't buy healthy food". EH? Have you seen how much fried chicken and kebabs cost? So basically, working class people can't cook - what a load of toss.

AAARGGGHHH, fucking HELL this one pisses me off. A few months back Janet Shtrait-Powter was writing in the Liberal Mail, sorry, Independent (I found a copy on the train, OK?) in which she basically said "If you eat nice food it's because you despise poor people". Stupid fucking cow, she was talking about the mother of that 'fattest kid in Britain' who was on TV a while ago and ranting that "she can't afford punnets of organic kiwi fruit or £3 boxes of pomegranite seeds from M&S (this is actually the example she used) like wot middle class people can", so her only option was to continue feeding her obese progeny crisps, chips and chocolate bars. Obviously she's never heard of potatoes, apples or bananas.

Also, the use of 'middle class' as a thinly veiled (or not even veiled at all) perjorative. If there's one thing that's worse than snobbery, it's affected inverse snobbery.

Edit:
MR TEA ADDED (how do you do multiple quotes here?)
I wish I knew - anyone able to help us out?

martin
31-05-2007, 03:54 PM
Also, the use of 'middle class' as a thinly veiled (or not even veiled at all) perjorative. If there's one thing that's worse than snobbery, it's affected inverse snobbery.


Talking of pointless perjoratives, I was going to say that one of the worst ever is 'fascist'. But then I thought about schoolteachers catching kids smoking and making them take their earrings out / hijabs off, and the kids sig heiling behind their backs and mouthing 'Fascist!', and it doesn't seem half as annoying.

Mr. Tea
31-05-2007, 04:04 PM
Talking of pointless perjoratives, I was going to say that one of the worst ever is 'fascist'. But then I thought about schoolteachers catching kids smoking and making them take their earrings out / hijabs off, and the kids sig heiling behind their backs and mouthing 'Fascist!', and it doesn't seem half as annoying.

I think that would deserve a 1,000-word essay, under detention conditions, on the crimes of Mussolini, Franco and Hitler.

/spoilsport

STN
31-05-2007, 04:13 PM
I hate it when I send someone an email at work and accidentally put a date in the past, say, '5th May' instead of '5th June' when asking for something and they reply 'Have you got a time machine?'. Well obviously not, because if I did then as soon as they'd alerted me to my mistake, I'd have gone back in time and changed my email before sending it and they'd never have got the erroneous email in the first place. The simple fact that they've recieved it at all should be sufficient indication that I do not, in fact, have a time machine. Fools.

Mr. Tea
31-05-2007, 04:17 PM
My dad's habit, whenever we were having dinner and I'd accidentally bitten my tongue or the inside of my cheek (not that regular an occurrence, but we've all done it, right?) of saying "Heh, you must be hungry. ARF!".
I'd generally be in too much pain to come back with a suitably witty rejoinder, such as "FUCKING FUNNY CUNT, AREN'TCHA?"

john eden
31-05-2007, 04:36 PM
Did someone say "who can contribute the most boring post to this thread?"

Multiple quotes -

When you reply there is a button above the box you type words in that looks like this: http://www.dissensus.com/images/as3/editor/quote.gif

You can select text in your post and then press the button and it will show as a quote. If you want to attribute the quote to a particular person you can alter the first tag to read

{QUOTE=NAMEOFTHEPERSON}

(but you have to use square brackets)


how do you do multiple quotes?


like this

IdleRich
31-05-2007, 04:54 PM
orignally posted by Martin
"how do you do multiple quotes?"
I thought that he meant nested quotes like that for when you want to quote someone quoting someone else. If so you just select the first, "inside" quote as JE said and then select the bigger area around it that you also want and do it again.

Martin Dust
31-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Edit:
I wish I knew - anyone able to help us out?


By
hand

innit

Mr. Tea
31-05-2007, 07:41 PM
Oh, I know how to do that, I meant nested messages as Rich mentioned.
I think maybe it's a feature my browser just doesn't support, or something - every post just has a single 'quote' option for me, there's no 'inner' one.

zhao
02-06-2007, 04:41 PM
Yeah, but some people just flirt with everyone whether they mean to or not. It's like a habit.

very true. but not exactly what i was on about... i don't mind the fun party girls who just ooze sexuality, but of course no one in their right mind really takes their lewd behavior seriously and expect to go home with them. i'm talking about girls who seek you out and start things but in the end only want the attention, only want some kind of re-assurance of their desire-ability. girls who play games.


Go on, use the word 'prick-tease' - nomadologist'll be all over you in a second. ;)

oh i better not. nomad can be scary when she's in a bad mood :eek:

hundredmillionlifetimes
03-06-2007, 08:07 AM
[deleted]

You still here!?

Teatowel, blabbering yet more infantile garbage, polluting this forum with yet more of his putrid cum.

Time for you to pack up and fuck off ...

mixed_biscuits
03-06-2007, 08:44 AM
You still here!?

Teatowel, blabbering yet more infantile garbage, polluting this forum with yet more of his putrid cum.

Time for you to pack up and fuck off ...

Poor show.

zhao
03-06-2007, 09:46 AM
ok. what the FUCK is up with you two. :mad:

I've had decent to good conversations with both of you, sometimes in complete disagreement, and both of you unkle-fuckers have behaved sensibly. so how did this stupid non-sense start in the first place???

Martin Dust
03-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Oh the irony...

sufi
03-06-2007, 12:14 PM
play nice please kiddies
it's a beautiful day which is not the time for sexism or misogyny, hatred (100,000,000) or homophobia (zhao)
i would delete 100,000,000's post too but y'all quoted him too many times .... yawn
will happily un-delete mr T's if he/she can convince the world it wasn't gross...

mms
03-06-2007, 01:15 PM
And whenever people try and defend working class obesity by saying, "That's such a middle class attitude, these people are so poor they can't buy healthy food". EH? Have you seen how much fried chicken and kebabs cost? So basically, working class people can't cook - what a load of toss.

the same goes for people who use class as a basis for disliking someone who has annoyed them a bit. Ie 'oh fuck him he's a spoilt middle class prick'. a friend does this all the time when what he means is i don't like what that person has done.

Eric
03-06-2007, 01:58 PM
Rules, as I understand them, don't have exceptions.

which suggests that probably the `could care less' thing is not a real exception---just a case that has migrated to fall under a different rule (ie. grammatical change/reanalysis).

swears
03-06-2007, 04:16 PM
What exactly did Mr Tea say?

zhao
03-06-2007, 04:43 PM
What exactly did Mr Tea say?

i would like to know as well. apparently it must be worse than what 100,000,000 said. if that's even possible?

Martin Dust
03-06-2007, 07:17 PM
When you quote someone else it doesn't get deleted even if the original post is deleted, making the quote mentioned a fake...

Mr. Tea
03-06-2007, 08:21 PM
i would like to know as well. apparently it must be worse than what 100,000,000 said. if that's even possible?

It was a rather distasteful, but entirely light-hearted, joke comment about women who 'ooze sexuality' (as you put it) leaving some kind of trail. Yes, it was childish, but this is quite clearly a light-hearted thread. I would suggest HMLT consider developing a sense of humour, but I fear there's as much chance of that happening as of Paris Hilton discovering a cure for AIDS.

You'll also notice that it's the first time he's posted in this thread - only threads about Really Important Stuff usually warrant the delpoyment of hmlt's superhuman intellect and laser-keen m4d cri7ic@l 5killZ - and that he's done so purely to have a go at me. I suspect he's feverishly searching the entire Dissensus archive for my posts as we speak, getting more and more worked up, pausing only to reach for his asthma inhaler or thumb through his spunk-stained copy of Žìźéķ's Hegemonial Mindsoup: America's Trans-Imperial Neo-Textualism for a suitable quotation before his mum calls him down for tea.

Lol, 'tea'.

hundredmillionlifetimes
03-06-2007, 08:34 PM
ok. what the FUCK is up with you two. :mad:

I've had decent to good conversations with both of you, sometimes in complete disagreement, and both of you unkle-fuckers have behaved sensibly. so how did this stupid non-sense start in the first place???

This is so hilarious.

You admit that you don't know [ a very odd, if not bizarre, confession coming from someone who is a regular contributor here, who should have a modicum of awareness of past exchanges and their context, unless you're an unfortunate sufferer of impaired vision or selective amnesia] how it started, have absolutely no idea what's going on, yet you can flippantly pass judgement on it all as "stupid nonsense".

Very sensible reasoning there, Zhao. [Trans: what the fuck is up with you ... ?]

Mr. Tea
03-06-2007, 09:27 PM
This is so hilarious.

You admit that you don't know [ a very odd, if not bizarre, confession coming from someone who is a regular contributor here, who should have a modicum of awareness of past exchanges and their context, unless you're an unfortunate sufferer of impaired vision or selective amnesia] how it started, have absolutely no idea what's going on, yet you can flippantly pass judgement on it all as "stupid nonsense".

Very sensible reasoning there, Zhao. [Trans: what the fuck is up with you ... ?]

Good evening old chum.
I think zhao said what he said because although he and I have opinions that diverge wildly on a number of topics, as is pretty obvious by now, the fact that neither of us has a severe personality disorder allows us to continue to treat each other in a civil fashion rather than punching holes in our keyboards as we type and fantasising about eviscerating each other with rusty meathooks. You dig?

Martin Dust
04-06-2007, 07:06 PM
Clients who don't understand a budget.

Grievous Angel
04-06-2007, 08:05 PM
Or a brief.

Martin Dust
04-06-2007, 08:46 PM
For real, Paul. In the morning there's a hard lesson of yes you can have the changes and here's the cost phone call...

Guybrush
04-06-2007, 09:52 PM
Sorry for being late to the party, but maybe a cross-linguistic comparison can shed some light on the meaning of the saying «the exception that proves the rule». The verbatim translation of the Swedish version of it is «the exception that confirms the rule». So now you know.

zhao
04-06-2007, 11:17 PM
clients who do not say what they mean, mean what they say, change their minds more than 3 times, or have totally backwards interpretations of simple concepts like "simple" or "modern".

clients who always pick the worst solution.

clients who take too long deciding, and when it comes down to it the team has 36 hours to deliver.

clients who think they know what is best - what the FUCK did you hire ME for then?!?!

note:

thank the lucky stars, knock on wood, keeping fingers crossed, i no longer really have most of these problems... these days i usually working with people who are not COMPLETE morons...

bruno
04-06-2007, 11:23 PM
clients who always pick the worst solution.
you have to present them with only one solution. and looking directly into their eyes with fiery conviction. this in my experience.

zhao
04-06-2007, 11:25 PM
that made me laugh out loud :D

DJ PIMP
05-06-2007, 12:01 AM
you have to present them with only one solution. and looking directly into their eyes with fiery conviction. this in my experience.that's what i try and do now; do it once and get it right the first time.

however i am dealing right now with a client who wants "edge", but cannot specify what this means.

zhao
05-06-2007, 09:01 AM
however i am dealing right now with a client who wants "edge", but cannot specify what this means.

stark colors, stressed type of different sizes, no grid.

IdleRich
05-06-2007, 09:52 AM
The verbatim translation of the Swedish version of it is «the exception that confirms the rule». So now you know.
But does that saying exist in Sweden except as a translation of that rule? Because if not that's trivial. You're just saying that "prove means confirms" which it does now - my point is that "prove" used to also mean "test" and that usage has almost died out except in that phrase but with the more common usage that phrase is meaningless.
Do people use that saying at all in Sweden?

Guybrush
05-06-2007, 11:43 AM
But does that saying exist in Sweden except as a translation of that rule? Because if not that's trivial. You're just saying that "prove means confirms" which it does now - my point is that "prove" used to also mean "test" and that usage has almost died out except in that phrase but with the more common usage that phrase is meaningless.

According to this (http://www.faktoider.nu/undantaget.html) site, the saying is derived from Latin.


The expression stems from Cicero’s defence of a certain Bilbo, accused of having been wrongly granted Roman citizenship. The prosecutor pointed out that a number of agreements with certain non-Roman people explicitly forbade their acquiring Roman citizenship; for want of such an agreement with Bilbo’s people, the prosecutor suggested that such an agreement was to be assumed implicit. It was the obvious flaw in this reasoning which Cicero remarked upon; if something be explicitly prohibited under a given set of conditions it must be permitted under the rest, i.e. ‘the exception proves the rule for the instances not described.’

Oh, wait, here (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_201.html) is a better explanation (and I’m beginning to sense that most people use the saying wrongly):


"Exception probat regulam [Lat.], the exception proves the rule. A legal maxim of which the complete text is: exceptio probat [or (con)firmat] regulam in casibus non exceptis--`the fact that certain exceptions are made (in a legal document) confirms that the rule is valid in all other cases.'"

The application is this. Suppose a law is stated in such a way as to include an exception, e.g., "Parking is prohibited on this street from 7 AM to 7 PM, Sundays and holidays excepted." The explicit mention of the exception means that NO other exceptions are to be inferred. Thus we should take the Latin verb probare in the maxim to have the sense of "to increase the force of."

IdleRich
05-06-2007, 11:54 AM
That's interesting. Never heard that explanation before. Either way, the saying is being used incorrectly I guess.

mos dan
08-06-2007, 02:22 PM
And don't get me fucking started on "could of"/"should of", misplaced apostrophes, 'definately', 'lazer', 'euthenasia'...

this one shakes me to the very core of my being.

Martin Dust
08-06-2007, 03:38 PM
Maroon Fucking 5

gabriel
11-06-2007, 03:59 PM
Gabriel, as soon as I saw this thread I thought you'd pop up with one of your pet hates, but as yet you haven't. Perhaps I've exaggerated in my mind the extent to which people saying 'Trivial Pursuits' maddens you?

LMAO yes it's true, i do hate the added 's' on the end there. there are loads of stupid little things that annoy me, though i think me listing them here will actually probably only serve to annoy me even more...

Mr. Tea
18-06-2007, 06:28 PM
The phrase "X and Y are both the same". The 'both' is totally redundant: how can something be 'the same' without being 'the same as (something else)'?

zhao
19-06-2007, 07:18 PM
well unless only 1 of them is the same. as the other. sorry just being retarded.

Mr. Tea
20-06-2007, 12:26 PM
Being called a 'customer' rather than 'passenger' when using day-to-day public transport (tube, busses etc.).
Oddly enough, I've found you tend to get called 'passenger' when you fly, even though you are most definitely a customer (to the tune of several tens or hundreds of pounds) in this case!

Edward
20-06-2007, 03:26 PM
People whow work on planes & trains often use "myself" instead of "me" during their announcements. I think they think it makes them sound more official. It is very odd.

"If you require any assistance please contact myself or one of my colleagues."

Mr. Tea
20-06-2007, 03:35 PM
The 'myself' thing annoys me greatly, I think someone may have mentioned it in this thread already.
I find it's used by (sorry) people who aren't very educated but want to sound educated - they try to be "more correct than correct", and end up using words incorrectly as a result.
Same goes for use of 'I', as in "that conversation between you and I", sort of thing.

zhao
20-06-2007, 06:30 PM
people who aren't very educated but want to sound educated

might not be a stretch to say that a majority of all the annoyances in the world are a result of stupids trying to act smart.

and on the other side most of the bestest things in the universe come from intellegent people acting retarded :D

Guybrush
21-06-2007, 06:04 AM
The 'myself' thing annoys me greatly, I think someone may have mentioned it in this thread already.
I find it's used by (sorry) people who aren't very educated but want to sound educated - they try to be "more correct than correct", and end up using words incorrectly as a result.
Same goes for use of 'I', as in "that conversation between you and I", sort of thing.

Hypercorrection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercorrection)

Slothrop
21-06-2007, 09:55 PM
Bands who are transparently ripping off a small range of other bands, but get very coy about their influences.

Bands who list their influences as "Miles Davis, the Kinks, Lee Perry, the Aphex Twin, the Clash, Anton Webern, Megadeath, Giorgio Moroder, Queen, King Tubby, Aretha Franklin and Public Enemy" and then sound exactly like the less interesting bits of Sonic Youth.

Bands who are transparently ripping off another band, but complain about 'lazy journalism' when people say that they sound a bit similar.

STN
22-06-2007, 09:42 AM
Bands who are transparently ripping off a small range of other bands, but get very coy about their influences.

Bands who list their influences as "Miles Davis, the Kinks, Lee Perry, the Aphex Twin, the Clash, Anton Webern, Megadeath, Giorgio Moroder, Queen, King Tubby, Aretha Franklin and Public Enemy" and then sound exactly like the less interesting bits of Sonic Youth.

Bands who are transparently ripping off another band, but complain about 'lazy journalism' when people say that they sound a bit similar.

They always say Miles Davis, don't they? My personal favourite of this ilk is the Bluetones citing Method Man as an influence.

Mr. Tea
22-06-2007, 12:24 PM
They always say Miles Davis, don't they? My personal favourite of this ilk is the Bluetones citing Method Man as an influence.

I heard Coldplay give mad props to Emperor and Dimmu Borgir...

Martin Dust
26-06-2007, 08:14 PM
PC vs Mac type forum battles

bruno
27-06-2007, 08:34 AM
those pictures with animals saying i'm on ur this doing that, it makes me want to smash the computer screen.

Edward
27-06-2007, 10:48 AM
^
Eh?

bruno
27-06-2007, 11:32 AM
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&client=safari&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=en&q=im%20in%20ur

elgato
27-06-2007, 01:41 PM
Same goes for use of 'I', as in "that conversation between you and I", sort of thing.

i dont understand, what about in the sense of "a club night run by a friend and I"?

as given that half of this thread is bemoning colloquial 'bastardisation' of traditional grammar, is this not a little controversial? although i dont know whether this is strictly a question of grammar. i do also like it because its humble, it places oneself as secondary

elgato
27-06-2007, 01:43 PM
this one shakes me to the very core of my being.

im such a guilty party on this one. i know that i do it, and ive been trying very hard to stop, but it just comes out that way when im not thinking

my friend sent me this - http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/ - lol. you can even get a mug

Mr. Tea
27-06-2007, 01:56 PM
i dont understand, what about in the sense of "a club night run by a friend and I"?

as given that half of this thread is bemoning colloquial 'bastardisation' of traditional grammar, is this not a little controversial? although i dont know whether this is strictly a question of grammar. i do also like it because its humble, it places oneself as secondary

The way to think about this is to question whether the sentence would make sense if you removed one of the people involved: so "a club night run by a friend and I" would become "a club night run by I", which sounds amusingly Jamaican/West Country, but is certainly incorrect. I also dislike the usage "He's a better runner than I", which can be said to be short for "He's a better runner than I am" - all the same, I'd prefer "He's a better runner than me". And in any case, your sentence should be "a club night run by a friend and me".

The thing about putting yourself second is, as you say, just a politeness thing: when people say "you and I", it would be equall correct to say "I and you", it just sounds odd because it's not the way people usually say it.

elgato
27-06-2007, 02:13 PM
interesting. language is something that i haven't thought that much about before. why is that the way to work it out? in what circumstance would it ever matter whether it works without the other actor?

if misuse doesn't obstruct the clear communication of ideas, why bother with the rules?

Mr. Tea
27-06-2007, 02:18 PM
"I" is a subjective pronoun - it's used when "I" am doing something.
"Me" is objective - it's used when something happens to "me".

As for why it's important to use proper grammar and spelling, well, I'm not sure why, but I just feel that it is. u kan get ur mesij akros widout ritin proper if u rilly want but den u risk soundin liek a fukin dikked innit lol!!!!!

elgato
27-06-2007, 02:29 PM
but that kind of text obviously obscures the message for those unused to it, undermining the central aim of language (communication) wheras these little issues dont...

complete bastardisation i agree is potentially a bad thing, because in a broader sense it opens the possibility of the richness of language being (over time) diminished

but surely rules should never be protected just because they're rules

Mr. Tea
27-06-2007, 02:34 PM
Weeell, some 'rules' in grammar are completely pointless, and are in fact 'pseudo-rules' made up by prescritptive Oxford grammarians in the 18th century in an attempt to make English more like Latin - despite the fact that English, unlike the Romance language, isn't even directly descended from Latin. So all that guff about not splitting infinitives - according to which "to boldly go..." is wrong, is exactly that: guff. As is the 'rule' about not ending a sentence with a preposition.

On the other hand, saying "I should of thought of that" (simple laziness) or "Come and see Bob or myself" (hypercorrection) really does annoy the hell out of me. They just make me want to say "I didn't make mistakes like that when I was twelve and you're a grown adult, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?". :mad:

Edit: another pet hate is people saying "they" instead of "he" or "she" for a single person, even when the sex (n.b.: 'sex', not 'gender') of the person is known. It's as if they think they're at risk of being 'sexist' merely by acknowledging that the person is of one sex as opposed to the other. It's Political Correctness Gone Mad!

elgato
27-06-2007, 02:40 PM
edited

elgato
27-06-2007, 02:42 PM
sorry, im spoiling an otherwise light hearted affair with this seriousness

Mr. Tea
27-06-2007, 02:53 PM
sorry, im spoiling an otherwise light hearted affair with this seriousness

[insert long incoherent rant about how rules of spelling and grammar are merely enforced to maintain social heirarchies by appealling to the authoirty of an imagined Big Other] :)

elgato
27-06-2007, 02:55 PM
[insert long incoherent rant about how rules of spelling and grammar are merely enforced to maintain social heirarchies by appealling to the authoirty of an imagined Big Other] :)

lol yeh well i wouldnt argue the intention, but the effect...

Guybrush
27-06-2007, 06:15 PM
if misuse doesn't obstruct the clear communication of ideas, why bother with the rules?

In Sweden in the 1970s, there was a backlash against the bourgeois notion that there was a ‘wrong’ way to spell a word. Rather, people were encouraged to ‘spell it like you say it’, which worked fine ... until someone noticed that — lo and behold — people from the southern parts of the country didn’t find the northeners’ spelling the least bit natural, and vice versa. Needless to say, this social experiment was abandoned swiftly.

Mr. Tea
28-06-2007, 03:33 PM
those pictures with animals saying i'm on ur this doing that, it makes me want to smash the computer screen.

I've left this as a link, as it's moderately distasteful, but might make you chuckle:

http://www.b3ta.cr3ation.co.uk/data/jpg/2944.cuteycat.jpg

bruno
28-06-2007, 08:38 PM
I've left this as a link, as it's moderately distasteful, but might make you chuckle:

http://www.b3ta.cr3ation.co.uk/data/jpg/2944.cuteycat.jpg
*chuckles*

Martin Dust
02-07-2007, 05:51 PM
Delays in airports, people who kick off when there's nothing you can really do.

DRMHCP
04-07-2007, 09:18 AM
The way Americans use the term New Wave to describe ANY music post about 1975 with slightly shorter hair than the Eagles.

I mean no-one in Britain (where a lot of the stuff they mean obviously comes from) has used the term seriously since about 1978 and to me it has nasty connotations of watered down guitar music with skinny ties etc... the kind of music old school 70s Radio 1 djs back then said they liked to show "yes some of these punk (sic) musicians really can play".

It really pisses me off to go on wikipedia and see some of the favourite music from my early youth eg synthpop/other early-ish electronic music etc being categorised with some of my least favourite stuff ie canonical rock shite like Elvis Costello or Squeeze or something.

Martin Dust
05-07-2007, 08:36 PM
OS updates that screw basic program needs up.

Martin Dust
06-07-2007, 03:36 PM
People in supermarkets that seem to walk about like fucking zombies or think it's a day out. I don't go very often and now I know why.

Edward
06-07-2007, 04:21 PM
People in queues who stand slightly next to you instead of behind you, try and edge past you at the airport.

People in supermarkets who pile up their shopping really high on the conveyor belt as if that will somehow help them get out of the shop faster (and the ones behind me who get upset when I am leisurely even though the bottleneck is at the cashier, not at the unloading stage)

OK that one was really pathetic of me maybe.......

Mr. Tea
06-07-2007, 04:23 PM
People who just don't have the foggiest conecpt of queueing. In my experience this includes the entire population of Germany.

The spelling of the word 'queueing'.

Martin Dust
06-07-2007, 05:58 PM
People in queues who stand slightly next to you instead of behind you, try and edge past you at the airport.

That one is a classic, had that done to me loads at check in...



People in supermarkets who pile up their shopping really high on the conveyor belt as if that will somehow help them get out of the shop faster (and the ones behind me who get upset when I am leisurely even though the bottleneck is at the cashier, not at the unloading stage)

OK that one was really pathetic of me maybe.......

Supermarkets full stop, I really, really hate them.

Martin Dust
06-07-2007, 05:59 PM
People who just don't have the foggiest conecpt of queueing. In my experience this includes the entire population of Germany.

The spelling of the word 'queueing'.

I'll trump that with Italians in a coffee shop in the morning ;) He who shouts loudest is the excepted norm...

Mr. Tea
06-07-2007, 06:12 PM
Supermarkets full stop, I really, really hate them.

Yeah, all those good-quality food and grocery items, conveniently assembled in one big, clean, neatly laid-out shop...it's enough to make one's blood boil. ;)

(I kind of know what you mean, though.)

Martin Dust
06-07-2007, 06:25 PM
Yeah, all those good-quality food and grocery items, conveniently assembled in one big, clean, neatly laid-out shop...it's enough to make one's blood boil. ;)

(I kind of know what you mean, though.)

I don't really get any pleasure from shopping and the way people are in supermarkets makes my blood boil very quickly, which is the reason why I've only ever been in on 4 or 5 times. It's not logical/rational but 5 minutes in Meadow Hall will have me over for a full day.

Edward
06-07-2007, 07:46 PM
I don't think theres any pleasure to be had from shopping in a supermarket is there? It's just one of those things you have to do like you go to the post office to post a letter or go to the bank to sort out money.

I find the worst thing about it is Asda FM in my local Asda, some hospital radio type yakking on about celebrity gossip and special offers on bacon between james blunt tunes.

Martin Dust
06-07-2007, 09:22 PM
I don't think theres any pleasure to be had from shopping in a supermarket is there? It's just one of those things you have to do like you go to the post office to post a letter or go to the bank to sort out money.

I find the worst thing about it is Asda FM in my local Asda, some hospital radio type yakking on about celebrity gossip and special offers on bacon between james blunt tunes.

I like the post office :) The feeling for me is like the odd day when you are working around town and people don't recognise your space, dumping into you, walking slow in front of you etc. It properly bends my fucking head. I also forget loads of stuff and always manage to buy things that only have one due day to there sell by date. Shopping in supermarkets for me should very much stay meta.

Martin Dust
08-07-2007, 10:06 PM
At airports when they announce boarding as embarkation, twats :)

Mr. Tea
09-07-2007, 01:49 PM
At airports when they announce boarding as embarkation, twats :)

Ooh, another transport one - I hate being called a 'customer' rather than a 'passenger' when using the Tube or bus. Really bugs me, that one. Oddly enough, I've found that when flying - in which case, you are most definitely a customer, perhaps to the tune of several hundred quid - you get called a passenger.

The 'embarkation' thing is, I think, just another example of people in dull service jobs trying to make mundane announcements sound more exciting or important by using unnecessarily long words or phrasing. You get this on trains a lot: "The buffet, which is located in carriage C..." - why not just "..which is in carriage C.."?

Martin Dust
09-07-2007, 03:23 PM
The 'embarkation' thing is, I think, just another example of people in dull service jobs trying to make mundane announcements sound more exciting or important by using unnecessarily long words or phrasing. You get this on trains a lot: "The buffet, which is located in carriage C..." - why not just "..which is in carriage C.."?

I know, sounds even worse in northern accent - EM-BARK-ATION [shakes head]

dominic
13-07-2007, 07:13 AM
I disagree, I think the way most people (mis)use the phrase is as if to imply that the rule is somehow un-'proven' until an exception is found - after which it is 'proven'. Which is obviously nonsense!

Rules, as I understand them, don't have exceptions. 'Rules of thumb' and 'guidelines' have exceptions.

in law, which perhaps differs here from science, the exception modifies the rule

dominic
13-07-2007, 07:27 AM
groups of three or four people who take up the entire width of the sidewalk, i.e., walking four abreast or shoulder-to-shoulder, such that it's a serious hassle to pass them by

OldRottenhat
13-07-2007, 12:06 PM
Answering machine messages which say "You have reached...."

Obviously I haven't reached them or I wouldn't be hearing this bloody message.

Mr. Tea
13-07-2007, 12:36 PM
in law, which perhaps differs here from science, the exception modifies the rule

I'm not even talking about science per se, I'm just applying a bit of basic logic to the saying.

borderpolice
13-07-2007, 03:12 PM
Answering machine messages which say "You have reached...."

Obviously I haven't reached them or I wouldn't be hearing this bloody message.

Not sure you are joking, but the point of "you have reached ..." messages is to avoid situations where somebody accidentally dials a wrong number and leaves a message, that will not go to its intended recipient, without the caller realising that (s)he has dialled the wrong number ... Happened to me once, causing lots of grief, ever since i announce my number on the answer machine message.

borderpolice
13-07-2007, 03:17 PM
I'm not even talking about science per se, I'm just applying a bit of basic logic to the saying.

That's not really logic. it's semantics. If you assume that a "rule" means some if-then kind of construct that does not admit exceptions, then it's analytically true that rules have no exceptions. but that's not how the term "rule" is used in everyday language. in praxi, one always leaves side-conditions implicit (otherwise one would not be able to say anthing interesting), hence every rule has exceptions. ;)

Not that i wish to claim that everyday language is the be-all and end-all of semantic analysis.

OldRottenhat
14-07-2007, 02:31 AM
Not sure you are joking, but the point of "you have reached ..." messages is to avoid situations where somebody accidentally dials a wrong number and leaves a message, that will not go to its intended recipient, without the caller realising that (s)he has dialled the wrong number ... Happened to me once, causing lots of grief, ever since i announce my number on the answer machine message.

Oh, I grasp the point of it, and I have no trouble at all with messages that begin e.g. "this is BorderPolice". I strongly endorse straightforwardly identifying yourself on your answering message, rather than, say, playing a brief passage of badly-recorded music, interspersed with whooshing noises and the sound of giggling*. It's being told that I've communicated with someone when self-evidently I haven't, and the best I can do is to leave a message which they may or may not listen to later that winds me up.

*NB I am not making this up...San Francisco was rife with these people.

Martin Dust
14-07-2007, 11:24 AM
Richard H. Kirk's answering machine plays One Love ;)

Slothrop
15-07-2007, 02:20 PM
Two more horribly abused terms:

Reductionist does not mean minimalist, nor does it mean oversimplified.
"Begging the question" does not mean "raising or suggesting the question."

noel emits
15-07-2007, 03:41 PM
What does 'begging the question' mean to you Sloth? Lots of people think it does mean what you say it doesn't, so it kind of does really, doesn't it? ;)

Mr. Tea
15-07-2007, 04:13 PM
What does 'begging the question' mean to you Sloth? Lots of people think it does mean what you say it doesn't, so it kind of does really, doesn't it? ;)

Argh, I HATE that argument! It means the numpties have won!

'Begging the question' means 'arriving at a conlusion that was (implicitly or explicitly) included in the initial assumption' (more or less).
And 'decimate' means 'reuduce (in numbers) by a tenth' and 'disinterested' means 'unbiased, unpartisan'. Harrumph.

jenks
15-07-2007, 05:50 PM
I know there's no point fighting the less/few fight anymore but i still have an involuntary twitch.

I love DFW's Infinite Jest where the Militant Grammarians of Massachusetts (i think) take matters into their own hands with supermarkets which have aisles for '5 items or less' (sic)

noel emits
15-07-2007, 06:08 PM
I know there's no point fighting the less/few fight anymore but i still have an involuntary twitch.

I love DFW's Infinite Jest where the Militant Grammarians of Massachusetts (i think) take matters into their own hands with supermarkets which have aisles for '5 items or less' (sic)

I hate it when people say aisles meaning check-out lanes. Does my bleedin' nut in.

noel emits
15-07-2007, 06:17 PM
These things are examples of how language evolves though aren't they? Just it seems to be devolving towards a flattening subtle meaning, or sumfing.

It's great when you can wind people up or confuse them by using the English language correctly. Some people are almost violently opposed to this.

Slothrop
15-07-2007, 07:18 PM
These things are examples of how language evolves though aren't they? Just it seems to be devolving towards a flattening subtle meaning, or sumfing.
Yeah. Although the examples I had in mind particularly piss me off because people are normally using them in a 'look at the clever word / phrase that I know' way and then using them incorrectly.

noel emits
15-07-2007, 07:47 PM
Yes, they need to shut up.

vimothy
16-07-2007, 10:16 AM
Razorlight

jenks
16-07-2007, 12:04 PM
I hate it when people say aisles meaning check-out lanes. Does my bleedin' nut in.

oh you pendant :p

Mr. Tea
16-07-2007, 01:08 PM
On a slightly more serious note, I do absolutely despise the posters you see around at the moment that basically say "Oh, what a shame, young so-and-so could have been a ballet dancer/athlete/whatever if only they hadn't been run over and killed". The implication being, if they had instead been realistically looking forward to a life of employment stacking shelves in Tesco or photocopying documents and making tea, their death somehow wouldn't have mattered. The idea that what's tragic is not simply a waste of a life but a waste of talent.

Let's face it, most people aren't astonishingly good-looking, clever, athletic, musically gifted etc. Most people are ordinary. And the idea that you have to be 'special' for your death to be in any way regrettable fucking stinks.
(And the same goes for newspaper obituaries of kids and young adults, "such a waste, they had so much to give, blah blah blah...", well SO WHAT, it's still tragic when people who weren't about to embark on a gap year before studying medicine at Cambridge die young, you know? Grrr.)

noel emits
16-07-2007, 02:45 PM
Poor old thry, struck down so young.

Mr. Tea
16-07-2007, 03:16 PM
People who pick you up on mistakes that are obviously typos.
They need to die, hard.

noel emits
16-07-2007, 06:52 PM
Double typos are fair game.

viktorvaughn
17-07-2007, 01:39 PM
Bits in films where people are kissing and cuddly, wriggle around slightly for a few seconds and suddenly are having penetrative sex!?

Edward
17-07-2007, 02:36 PM
Bits in films where people are kissing and cuddly, wriggle around slightly for a few seconds and suddenly are having penetrative sex!?

You're just jealous. How long does it take you?

Today someone from a travel agents said "Please may you hold for a minute?"

Mr. Tea
17-07-2007, 06:23 PM
The other day I was talking to a woman in a menial service job who didn't speak English as her first language and she confused the subjunctive mood with the conditional mood, so I said: "AHAHAHAHAHA, YOU STUPID CUNT! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!".

Martin Dust
17-07-2007, 07:37 PM
Jimmy "fucking" Saville - die you cunt.

Slothrop
18-07-2007, 12:06 AM
Another supermarket issue - people on checkouts who ask "do you need any help packing" (and it's always "do you need" with these ones, with the implicit questioning of your ability to perform a basic task like putting things in a bag, never "do you want" ) and when you say "no," take it as a challenge to shove everything through the till so fast that you can't keep up, and then sit there looking smug while you finish cramming stuff into your bag. "I bet you wish you'd accepted my offer of help now, don't you? That'll be £17.83 please."

Edward
18-07-2007, 11:43 AM
The whole bloody "live earth" thread.

noel emits
18-07-2007, 11:48 AM
Another supermarket issue - people on checkouts who ask "do you need any help packing" (and it's always "do you need" with these ones, with the implicit questioning of your ability to perform a basic task like putting things in a bag, never "do you want" ) and when you say "no," take it as a challenge to shove everything through the till so fast that you can't keep up, and then sit there looking smug while you finish cramming stuff into your bag. "I bet you wish you'd accepted my offer of help now, don't you? That'll be £17.83 please."

Just put stuff away really slowly, grinning at the people behind you in the que.

martin
18-07-2007, 12:11 PM
Another supermarket issue - people on checkouts who ask "do you need any help packing" (and it's always "do you need" with these ones, with the implicit questioning of your ability to perform a basic task like putting things in a bag, never "do you want" ) and when you say "no," take it as a challenge to shove everything through the till so fast that you can't keep up, and then sit there looking smug while you finish cramming stuff into your bag. "I bet you wish you'd accepted my offer of help now, don't you? That'll be £17.83 please."

The trick's to say "no thanks".

If it happens again, just fuck around back. It's only a shop. Put each item in its own separate carrier bag and spend ages thumbing around for loose change, that should piss someone off.

Mr. Tea
18-07-2007, 12:28 PM
Supermarket checkout operators who don't speak to you or even look at you throughout the entire process, except for muttering a semi-audible syllable that might be 'thanks' at the very end, as they give you the receipt with your change on top of it, just to make it difficult for you to put it back into your wallet while carrying a bag of shopping.

I mean, sure, it's not the best job in the world, and I'd hate to be confronted with that awful American pseudo-friendliness every time I shop, but there's still no excuse for out-and-out rudeness.

martin
18-07-2007, 12:29 PM
People who get narky and say 'Men died for your right to vote' when you tell them you couldn't be arsed to turn up at the polling station (the political equivalent of 'There's starving Indians who'd be grateful for that festering pile of cold cabbage stuck to your plate')

Mr. Tea
18-07-2007, 12:31 PM
The trick's to say "no thanks".

If it happens again, just fuck around back. It's only a shop. Put each item in its own separate carrier bag and spend ages thumbing around for loose change, that should piss someone off.

Hmm...I think that's more likely to piss off the other people in the queue (which could be you, next time) rather than the till monkey, who most likely couldn't give a shit.

In this situation I just pack at my own pace, not hurrying but not deliberately dawdling either.

Lichen
18-07-2007, 12:33 PM
Being given a receipt when you buy a 'paper or a chocolate bar or something.

Esp. when the receipt is UNDER THE CHANGE, making it difficult to remove.

Also shop people's AMUSEMENT at my requests not to be given a receipts for items like the abovementioned.


As though I'm some kind of eccentric because I can't forsee ANY CONCEIVABLE CIRCUMSTANCES in which I'm likely to return a fricking Twix half-eaten and ask for my money back.

Mr. Tea
18-07-2007, 12:43 PM
Oh God, THIS!

I do *not* want a receipt (and a plastic bag!) for my can of Coke, you Pavlovian-conditioned automaton.

Also, it's quite annoying when they look at you like you're some sort of weirdo for bringing your own bag, and you almost have to physically stop them giving you a new one anyway. Gah.

Lichen
18-07-2007, 01:35 PM
One day I'm going take my newspaper back:

"I'm not sure I liked today's news. All that stuff about the kid being pinched and the fighting and stuff in, you know, Iraq. Can I have my money back? And actually, that Curly Wurly didn't quite hit the spot either...."

mos dan
18-07-2007, 02:38 PM
The whole bloody "live earth" thread.

god i know. i can't believe my name is attached as the thread starter. all i wanted was to plug the climate-change website i was writing for.

the receipt thing drives me crazy, same with bags. i think 'no, don't worry about the bag cheers' is my most over-used phrase these days. lidl make you pay for plastic bags! good for lidl.

Slothrop
18-07-2007, 04:37 PM
The trick's to say "no thanks".

If it happens again, just fuck around back. It's only a shop. Put each item in its own separate carrier bag and spend ages thumbing around for loose change, that should piss someone off.
I'm not even sure it's intentional, to be honest. Like the thread title says, it's pointless.

Next one:
use of the word 'psychedelic' to describe music that deviates in any slight way from completely mundane, eg a band whose guitarist owns a flanger, any dance music where more than one synth parameter is manipulated. To clarify:
This is psychedelic. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoVrIjFVNT0)
This isn't. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRy8N1P1EUI)

Mr. Tea
18-07-2007, 04:47 PM
This isn't. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRy8N1P1EUI)

But, but, but they have a BEAR playing a TRUMPET!
Have you ever HEARD of such a thing? A TRUMPET being played by a BEAR!
*loses mind*

mos dan
18-07-2007, 04:56 PM
Ahh, The Coral. A 'Cast for the Millennium' if ever there was one.

vimothy
18-07-2007, 05:00 PM
I fucking love those crazy voredoming fuckers!

Anyone else feeling LSD March and Les Rallizes Denudes?

noel emits
18-07-2007, 06:16 PM
I fucking love those crazy voredoming fuckers!

Anyone else feeling LSD March and Les Rallizes Denudes?

Yes.

nomadologist
18-07-2007, 07:39 PM
in ny, most of the cashiers just throw out your receipt. but on the other hand, they're always offering you a straw with everything and a napkin

Martin Dust
18-07-2007, 07:41 PM
When you go in a shop and 3 people ask you if you need any help within two minutes, will you please fuck off and leave me alone...

martin
19-07-2007, 09:54 AM
When you go in a shop and 3 people ask you if you need any help within two minutes, will you please fuck off and leave me alone...

Tell them you're after a blow job, works wonders

Martin Dust
19-07-2007, 11:35 AM
Tell them you're after a blow job, works wonders

Knowing my luck at the moment I'd get the ugly guy drop to his knees :p

IdleRich
19-07-2007, 11:47 AM
"Knowing my luck at the moment I'd get the ugly guy drop to his knees"
You're generally very lucky?

noel emits
19-07-2007, 11:42 PM
People hassling you for feedback on eBay. Are they that desperate for approval?

Martin Dust
20-07-2007, 12:07 AM
You're generally very lucky?

I don't really know how you measure such a thing, just reflecting on the number of machines I own that shed their coil this month :)

baboon2004
20-07-2007, 01:37 PM
Supermarket checkout operators who don't speak to you or even look at you throughout the entire process, except for muttering a semi-audible syllable that might be 'thanks' at the very end, as they give you the receipt with your change on top of it, just to make it difficult for you to put it back into your wallet while carrying a bag of shopping.

I mean, sure, it's not the best job in the world, and I'd hate to be confronted with that awful American pseudo-friendliness every time I shop, but there's still no excuse for out-and-out rudeness.

Hmm, true, but have you ever done one of those jobs (you imply that you haven't)? For me, it's a wonder how people get through their first week without going completely mental. When I had to do similar stuff (only for a short time, thank Christ), the tedium did threaten to drive me over the edge.

baboon2004
20-07-2007, 01:39 PM
Starting arguments on internet messageboards with people I've never met (sorry if someone's already done this). I mean, what is my problem???

Mr. Tea
20-07-2007, 02:15 PM
Hmm, true, but have you ever done one of those jobs (you imply that you haven't)? For me, it's a wonder how people get through their first week without going completely mental. When I had to do similar stuff (only for a short time, thank Christ), the tedium did threaten to drive me over the edge.

I worked in a supermarket for two years while I was doing my GCSE/A-levels. And in the summer after my first year at Uni. It was an especially rubbishy provincial Co-op, so I had to spend half my time apologising for things that weren't my fault. So I know full well how annoying and boring it is, but I still said 'Hi' to people and managed at the very least to keep a veneer of civility and basic politeness.

Unnecessarily rude people piss me right off, generally. There's just no need.

Mr. Tea
21-07-2007, 04:14 PM
The revolting oversized brightly-coloured plastic 'jewelry' you see on self-consciously 'alternative' young women.

Noah Baby Food
21-07-2007, 06:02 PM
The other day I was talking to a woman in a menial service job who didn't even have English as her first language and she confused the subjunctive mood with the conditional mood, so I said: "AHAHAHAHAHA, YOU STUPID CUNT! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!".

hahahaha!