Schmaltzcore

[Woebot]

and we've got to remember. GIRLS LIKE THIS MUSIC. and the male musicians, dude this is very calculated, pussy magnets. talk about 2step bringing the girls back to raving.

 

[Woebot]

lulu and i saw tracey thorn at the raincoats gig. she knows his son she says.

 

[Woebot]

...isn't cheap throwaway music, if it was it might actually have something more to it.

i wonder if there isn't something to music which doesn't demand huge emotional investment from one? insincere music.

sometimes to be shallow is to be really deep. like a man in a suit or a girl in a summer dress.

 

[catalog]

just sounds like dub physix 9 years too late lol.

not really, to my ears anyway. dub phizix is more gags to my ears than the db thing i posted, which to me conjures proper dread.

as it happens, i know dub phizix, through a strange turn of events - good lad.

 

[catalog]

Just admit it catalog he can't rap. that's fine, nothing wrong with that at all, loads of black people stateside are into techno and industrial and post-punk and shit, but why is our music press so obsessed with demarcating lines (mostly if not overwhelmingly by white journalists) who get to code the boundaries of what constitutes blackness and what doesn't?

what are you saying? I'm not saying he can rap?? im saying its a songi like. i don't understand what you are going on about. if you don't like it. thats fine, just say that. the rest of what you have said makes zero sense. who is demarcating lines? i don't give a fuck about press on him.

 

[catalog]

and those other videos you posted, gravediggaz and the other one, yeah they are ok, but its not really similar. like tempo as much as anything?

maybe i get what you mean now - i do like db cos it's english, i can't identify as much with an american voice

 

[catalog]

and yes, to a certain extent, he is doing parody. that's what is so good. but nvm, this board doesn't agree with db, it's fine. whats the point flogging a dead horse. like luka says, there are very strict rules for what flies and what doesnt.

 

[catalog]

i think he's the most significant artist of 2010s

 

[thirdform]

and those other videos you posted, gravediggaz and the other one, yeah they are ok, but its not really similar. like tempo as much as anything?

maybe i get what you mean now - i do like db cos it's english, i can't identify as much with an american voice

It's not about the American voice though. It's about rhythmic exactitude and tight flows. Rap is as much about the way the words role off the tongue and the calculated spaces between them.

With Blunt et al they just reminds me of the drill and bass lot. ok you can be parodic with the template but then what? Why on earth would you want to get invested in the comings and goings of an artist? That seems nightmarishly stalkerish to me.

Guess I just come from a culture where singers used to have ties with the turkish mafia lol, like I really couldn't give two craps about the moral integrity of so and so, unless it's like R Kelly or whatever which just makes me whince, but then I never hugely liked him to begin with.

 

[catalog]

why is it not about the american voice? as in, if i say it is about that, how do you know its not? i t might be about other stuff for you, but for me its that voice, that accent, what it means to me

 

[catalog]

also youve totally misunderstood where hes coming from. its not stalkerish (although he does have a series called 'stalker') its fucking about within the accepted boundaries of a genre, playing with it, pissing about, commenting on it

 

[thirdform]

and yes, to a certain extent, he is doing parody. that's what is so good. but nvm, this board doesn't agree with db, it's fine. whats the point flogging a dead horse. like luka says, there are very strict rules for what flies and what doesnt.

I don't have strict rules, I just find parody without a sense of scathing
rage to be ultimately an emotional dead end. Blunt's music could not survive without fact mag/x8l8r/The Wire and so on. You say you don't give a shit what the press thinks of him but his whole trajectory is based on checklisting music critics. Just like Tricky, there's no real cultural momentum behind it. Which is fine, but if I want that I'd rather go into noise/free jazz territory.

 

[catalog]

right right, at least now you are making sense

 

[thirdform]

also youve totally misunderstood where hes coming from. its not stalkerish (although he does have a series called 'stalker') its fucking about within the accepted boundaries of a genre, playing with it, pissing about, commenting on it

I meant you as an example (no shade intended) I could never get invested in an artist. that seems to be some weird thing with music fans and where I differ with them. I'm much more into machines and fragmentation.

 

[catalog]

yeah i agree he baits the press, thats a technique. and yeah, i get that it could be considered a dead end, cos then you forget why you doing what you doing, i think that could be a current problem actually.

so nice one, yeah, its took a while, but you've engaged now. thank you

 

[catalog]

but riddle me this: if you don't engage with the wider music infrastructure, how do you get paid??

cos all the noise free jazz shit, theres not a lot sustainable there. like sure there are heroes that have been around 20 years, but generally its a very disposable scene.

im unsure as to whether thats a problem actually.

 

[thirdform]

also youve totally misunderstood where hes coming from. its not stalkerish (although he does have a series called 'stalker') its fucking about within the accepted boundaries of a genre, playing with it, pissing about, commenting on it

Yeah and unless that's done extremely well pissing about can just turn into 'not getting it.' It's like the way people like Paradox will always be better beat choppers than Square and em lot. Squarepusher can be fun, in a toilet humour way but thats it.

 

[thirdform]

but riddle me this: if you don't engage with the wider music infrastructure, how do you get paid??

cos all the noise free jazz shit, theres not a lot sustainable there. like sure there are heroes that have been around 20 years, but generally its a very disposable scene.

im unsure as to whether thats a problem actually.

Andrew weatherall (RIP) put it nicely. Roughly paraphrasing: I'll keep doing it so long as it's a job, but as soon as it turns into a career I'm out.

 

[thirdform]

the problem with baiting the press is they'll always try to get you into a career dead end and run you dry. It's what they did with Goldie.

 

[WashYourHands]

Nonsense. schmaltzcore was 70s and 80s, in turkey as well as lost deep soul nuggets. so tacky it actually becomes transcendent and unites the dialectic. this is once again filthy patriotic anglo journalists looking for another excuse to smuther their genitalia in baked beans.

Memory triggered of Tiswas & baked beans being involved, but video platforms say no.