mixed_biscuits
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If Sunak does not declare a Starmer victory null and void then the Conservatives also are implicated in systemic racism and the UN must step in. But looking at Gaza, I'm not holding my breath.
General election 2024
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Sunak's approval rating averaged about 0% in the months after he became PM, but has recently hit a low of -60%. The ethnic makeup of the UK has not changed significantly in the last 18 months, and it certainly has not got 60% more white. So maybe voters (of all ethnicity) are actually not as stupid or racist as you'd apparently like to think they are, and are judging the PM on his performance in the job?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Your assertion that voters will, in a contest in which party leaders are ethnically dissimilar, vote for the (party with the) leader who most closely resembles themselves surely applies to all voters (since to assume otherwise would be racist, no?).
Are you therefore predicting most south Asian voters will vote Conservative next month?
I will gladly wager you a thousand pounds that this does not happen.
Are you therefore predicting most south Asian voters will vote Conservative next month?
I will gladly wager you a thousand pounds that this does not happen.
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Mr. Tea
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mixed_biscuits
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I'm not saying everyone is racist or that the racists are maximally racist but we know, we both know, racism is pervasive in the UK. Instead of doing the odd back-of-the-envelope jotting we need exhaustive data on the extent to which racism - notably white supremacy - is distorting our politics and damaging the health of our country.
mixed_biscuits
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I was referring primarily to white supremacy. I don't know about South East Asian supremacy but gathering as much data as possible in order to formulate a corrective is essential, thank you.
mixed_biscuits
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@Mr. Tea there is a problem with opinion polls and racism in that much racial bias is unconscious and may not be reflected in them. This all needs to be factored in before we can move forward.
Statement of disambiguation: are you with us in the fight against racism and the distortion of the electoral process by conscious and unconscious white supremacy? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Statement of disambiguation: are you with us in the fight against racism and the distortion of the electoral process by conscious and unconscious white supremacy? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Mate, you're the board's foremost supporter of a currently ongoing genocide of brown people by a predominantly white colonial state.
one thing biscuits would do well to learn that being relaxed and overweight whilst gorging on fatty foods and booze will mean he'll keep getting more and more intellectually incontinent, and like the late Mike Dickin, constantly repeat the mantra: 'my health is not in question!' except it always old chap, it always was. Read some Hegel and understand the negation of the negation.
mixed_biscuits
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OK, so what you're saying is that you accept that opinion polls are of limited validity given the existence of unconscious bias.
IdleRich
IdleRich
The unknown reason is that the Tories have blocked any attempt whatsoever to change the voting system in any way as they know that it contains an inbuilt bias towards them with fewer votes needed to elect each Tory MP than Labour one. JRM said "Of course the other parties want to change the system cos they keep losing under this one" - it would seems a bit rich for the main gatekeepers of the status quo to suddenly moan about it if it was working against them... although obviously they're not cos it isn't as you know.
mixed_biscuits
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So that's basically a two wrongs make a right argument, except the latest wrong involves profiting from a tidal wave of votes from white supremacists.
mixed_biscuits
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Your example is not about EDI racial debiasing. It's just to make it easier for Labour to win. Racial debiasing will make it less likely for Labour to win, so things as they are biases in the direction it should be biased for other reasons.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
For the thousandth time, are you convincing even yourself with this fucking gibberish?
mixed_biscuits
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This kind of disproportion is appropriate where votes are considered not only to represent individuals but the interests of the resources that are relevant to them e.g. areas with swathes of farming or protected land preclude high population but if the farmers or similar did not have an outsized say then the fate of the land would be decided by urbanites with no skin in the game nor awareness of its own interests, so to speak.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Let's just clear up what you're saying here:
Black and Asian voters are apparently afflicted with unconscious racist bias against Sunak to an even greater degree than white voters have a conscious racist bias against him, it's just that they're too stupid to realise this and need you, Social Justice Warrior par excellence, to explain it to them.
Because Sunak's track record, and the performance of Conservative and Conservative-led governments over the last 14 years, have been so blemishless that only white supremacism is the only reason anyone could have for not supporting them is 'white supremacism', regardless of whether they're actually white or not.