US Election 2024

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DannyL

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yyaldrin said:
yes i think we agree on most things just that i can understand and have sympathy for people not voting or voting for someone else than trump/harris because of palestine, and for me those people are not "fucking idiots". being forced to vote for the person/party that is comitting a genocide feels like being in a horror movie, an episode of black mirror.
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I mean, people can and should be absolulely appalled by events there, should be shook to their cores but there's no evidence that it was a big motivator in voting behaviour.
 
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Benny Bunter said:
No idea about what will happen about the Gaza situation because of this outcome, but I'm hoping this is the beginning of the end of the Ukraine conflict at least, as it stands. Fingers crossed.
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JFC you thick bastard.
What does that look like for Kiev do you think?
Ukraine was a thriving democracy, "the end of conflict" there equals Putin turning it into a charnel house for the sake of his Russian Empire fantasies. Did you ever read the reports from Bucha?
 
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I guess this board is a good example of the whole wider decay of political discourse when someone can post the above without being driven from public life.
 
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458 bodies have been recovered from the town, including nine children under the age of 18. Among the victims, 419 people were killed with weapons and 39 appeared to have died of natural causes, possibly related to the occupation.[1][15] The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights documented the unlawful killings, including summary executions, of at least 73 civilians in Bucha.[16][3] Photos showed corpses of civilians, lined up with their hands bound behind their backs, shot at close range.[17] An inquiry by Radio Free Europe reported the use of a basement beneath a campground as a torture chamber.[18][19] Many bodies were found mutilated and burnt,[20][21] and girls as young as fourteen reported being raped by Russian soldiers.[20][22] In intercepted conversations, Russian soldiers referred to these operations involving hunting down people in lists, filtration, torture, and execution as zachistka ("cleansing").
 
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Mr. Tea said:
Well you don't live there, do you, and neither do I, so in that sense it's academic.

What I'm seeing in a lot of Americans is an attitude that could be summarized as: "I am privileging my own righteous rage against the Democrats for supporting Israel above trying to stop the Republicans, even though they are, in the best possible case, just as bad as the Democrats in this regard, and clearly worse (to far worse) on every other issue, from women's rights and gay/trans rights to the climate/environment, jobs/economy, race, drugs/guns/cops/prisons, etc. etc., and even though their leader is a convicted felon and serial rapist who mocks the disabled, robs his own charities, openly wants to fuck his own daughter, has stood on a nativist, racist and religious-fundamentalist platform since day one, has pretty much stated that he intends to dismantle democracy, and is supported by various dictators, every neo-fascist organization going, and the Ku Klux Klan. Also there's something about that Harris woman that just rubs me up the wrong way, idk."

It's a complete abdication of responsibility to try and prevent the obviously worse outcome happening in favour of gratifying a personal sense of "Ha, that'll show you." And yeah, I find that repugnant, or at least inexplicable.
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You're. Too. Late.
 
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DannyL said:
I guess this board is a good example of the whole wider decay of political discourse when someone can post the above without being driven from public life.
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How would that work though? Nobody gets banned and most of us can't be bothered having huge arguments like Tea and Biscuits.
 
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DannyL said:
458 bodies have been recovered from the town, including nine children under the age of 18. Among the victims, 419 people were killed with weapons and 39 appeared to have died of natural causes, possibly related to the occupation.[1][15] The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights documented the unlawful killings, including summary executions, of at least 73 civilians in Bucha.[16][3] Photos showed corpses of civilians, lined up with their hands bound behind their backs, shot at close range.[17] An inquiry by Radio Free Europe reported the use of a basement beneath a campground as a torture chamber.[18][19] Many bodies were found mutilated and burnt,[20][21] and girls as young as fourteen reported being raped by Russian soldiers.[20][22] In intercepted conversations, Russian soldiers referred to these operations involving hunting down people in lists, filtration, torture, and execution as zachistka ("cleansing").
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See this is the evidence we need about the IDF.

I think Benny B's point is that stopping the war might stop this sort of thing better than letting it continue, even if that won't bring the glorious defeat of Russia that won't happen anyway.

If the war continues then it's either death to Russia or death to Ukraine, and the latter is more likely.
 
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DannyL said:
Sorry to butt into yesterday's discussion but I doubt the average American voter gives a fuck about foreign policy. There's no evidence that that's a motivator in voting beyond isolationism.
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Maybe not average, but I'd say a not totally insignificant percentage even if it's not enough to sway the vote.

A number of people I know on Facebook, and a close cousin of mine, people that absolutely despise Trump, abstained from voting for that reason.
 
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Benny Bunter said:
All I said is that I hope the war will end, what a hysterical nutcase!
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All I said was I hope the authoritarian isolationist teams up with the aggressive psychopathic dictator and we'll have peace in our time! I can't believe the bad man swore at me!

HOW does it end? How? Under a Trump presidency?

Trump and Putin kiss and hold hands and Russia withdraws?
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Russia gets a green light for aggression and Ukraine has far less weaponry to defend itself, Trump pulls out of NATO, our taxes go up hugely to foot the bill of defending a democracy from invasion? Which is more likely?
 
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A Liniment's Evil Work said:
Maybe not average, but I'd say a not totally insignificant percentage even if it's not enough to sway the vote.

A number of people I know on Facebook, and a close cousin of mine, people that absolutely despise Trump, abstained from voting for that reason.
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Yeah possibly more in Muslim areas I guess. I'd like to see some kinda breakdown though. I doubt very much it affected outcomes much as it should.
 
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william kent said:
How would that work though? Nobody gets banned and most of us can't be bothered having huge arguments like Tea and Biscuits.
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I have no idea. I've p much given up on the board. Couldn't let the above pass though.
It's like the anti-trans stuff. It causes real harm to real people. Anti-Ukraine pro-Putin rhetoric does the same.
 
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