Leave words

[Benny Bunter]

Went for a walk in the country with the fam last year and my partner set the challenge of not speaking for half an hour to just drink in the nature sounds and views, but it was impossible for me, it's really hard to switch off the verbal commentary when you're in company (did have a 9 year old boy in tow as well which made it even harder)

 

[catalog]

Went for a walk in the country with the fam last year and my partner set the challenge of not speaking for half an hour to just drink in the nature sounds and views, but it was impossible for me, it's really hard to switch off the verbal commentary when you're in company (did have a 9 year old boy in tow as well which made it even harder)

This is something I tried with a mate recently. Based on roselle angwin writing.

We went for a walk in the dales (one of the pennine way stages, 14 miles).

We did it barefoot as much as we felt comfy with.

And we walked together but did not speak, apart from after one of us reached 5 thoughts, and then we shared them.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Could see how that would work if you'd agreed to do it beforehand maybe, I had it sort of imposed on me at the last minute.

Was it not a bit awkward?

 

[version]

I still haven't read moby dick unfortunately so I don't get what you mean.

Ahab's essentially waging a one-man war against God-Nature, a war obviously unwinnable.

"Hark ye yet again- the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event- in the living act, the undoubted deed- there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike though the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. He tasks me; he heaps me; I see in him outrageous strength, with an inscrutable malice sinewing it. That inscrutable thing is chiefly what I hate; and be the white whale agent, or be the white whale principal, I will wreak that hate upon him. Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me. For could the sun do that, then could I do the other; since there is ever a sort of fair play herein, jealousy presiding over all creations... "​

 

[Benny Bunter]

I read about half of moby dick when I was too young to get it, that is fire though, definitely gona give it another crack this year.

 

[version]

The Mishima character from Schrader's biopic:

"All my life I have been acutely aware of a contradiction in the very nature of my existence. For forty-five years I struggled to resolve this dilemma by writing plays and novels. The more I wrote, the more I realized mere words were not enough. So I found another form of expression."

 

[Benny Bunter]

There's at least two different threads in one here.

 

[catalog]

Could see how that would work if you'd agreed to do it beforehand maybe, I had it sort of imposed on me at the last minute.

Was it not a bit awkward?

Er yeah def a bit awkward but you fall into a rhythm after a bit. Roselle angwin leads these walks in Cornwall where there's like 12 people and you all do a longish walk together, entirely in silence, and barefoot. Then you chat at the end

 

[Murphy]

you can get a glimpse of the evolution of Burroughs on silence in Rub Out the Words, fast forward to the bunker with no windows like a NY anchorite

 

[catalog]

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you can get a glimpse of the evolution of Burroughs on silence in Rub Out the Words, fast forward to the bunker with no windows like a NY anchorite

Is that patty arkky in lost highway? Love her, love that film

 

[Murphy]

Don’t do a Corpsey and tell the world you rubbed one out to the gun to head scene

 

[sufi]

This is something I tried with a mate recently. Based on roselle angwin writing.

We went for a walk in the dales (one of the pennine way stages, 14 miles).

We did it barefoot as much as we felt comfy with.

And we walked together but did not speak, apart from after one of us reached 5 thoughts, and then we shared them.

Why is Quaker Worship Silent? - Understanding Quaker Faith And Practice

Silent worship is a unique spiritual practice that has been used by Quakers for centuries. But what exactly is silent worship and how does it work? Learn more.

quaker.org

 

[sufi]

Why is Quaker Worship Silent? - Understanding Quaker Faith And Practice

Silent worship is a unique spiritual practice that has been used by Quakers for centuries. But what exactly is silent worship and how does it work? Learn more.

quaker.org

 

[catalog]

Should say that we only did the no talking thing for a bit of the walk, maybe 2 hours or so. It was a bit weird now I think about it.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

They say thought acquires the structure of language when in fact it's the other way round...Chomsky's universal grammar just points at the universality of human thought processes.

 

[sus]

Late Wittgenstein v archetypal of this whole 'leave unspoken' things: Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

Sontag has the essay on silence that brings up Wittgenstein but also Duchamp quitting art to make chess, and the actress in Bergman's Persona.

They all go back to speaking sooner or later. It's a phase a refusal a shunning a seclusion a retreat. Zarathustra in the cave. This whole tradition of prophets.

 

[sus]

And then there's nonverbal communication stuff. Which became a cliche (all the "95% of communication is nonverbal" garbage). But obviously there's a substantial array of biological reading and writing tools that're always firing when you're in the world, and especially when you're with other people. Body face eyes mouth. Are the muscles tight or loose.

 

[sus]

Are you team flux, team 'words are cages, structures are prisons, how do I break free ' or are you like, yeah, pretty useful tools these systems!

There's a really boring answer that words are useful for some things but not always the answer, no tool is a panacea, no tool is good for every situation, so sometimes you want words and sometimes you don't. And then what we're really asking is "Do people tend to rely on them too much?" IDK there's a lot of nervous talk in the world. The silent stoic indigenous type (or cowboy, or warrior, or man) is a stock character at this point. Versus garrulous women. I'm not saying women are garrulous I'm saying this is the typography we've all inherited, woman is garrulous and manly man is silent stoic clint eastwood types says three words an hour but tells you exactly what you need to know nothing more

 

[sus]

In what sort of situations, or at achieving what kinds of functions, are words not as useful as we usually assume?

 

[sus]

The most desirable state. In one sense a special use of words and pictures can conduce silence. The scrapbooks and time travel are exercises to expand consciousness, to teach me to think in association blocks rather than words. I’ve recently spent a little time studying hieroglyph systems, both the Egyptian and the Mayan. A whole block of associations—boonf!—like that! Words, at least the way we use them, can stand in the way of what I call nonbody experience. It’s time we thought about leaving the body behind.

"Thought is the enemy of flow"

"Thought is the enemy of flow" This quote could probably be a thread in the Music forum, because it's by a famous drummer, Vinnie Colaiuta (a famous drummer I'd never heard of until I saw someone post this quote - but apparently he is King Drummer, toast of the technical mags. I wondered if...

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