rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread

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Trillhouse

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I don't really see your point.

There are many women who would call themselves feminists who take off their clothes, for a living, or for art, or just for kicks. They'd be complete hypocrites if they then objected to men enjoying pictures of good looking women. Hell, go on Tumblr and you'll find many blogs, curated by females, that post image after image of beautiful women, many much more explicit than those youtube videos.
The sad fact of it is, if you post a track on Youtube with a still of a beautiful woman, you can pretty much guarantee it will get more views than if you just posted the 12" label.

But none of this really says anything specific about the post-dubstep scene.
 
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Ory

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simon silverdollar said:
if one takes feminism to be a political/social movement that argues for equal rights and opportunities across genders (and this seems to be plausible definition to me), then i'd say being anti-feminist is indeed to be anti-women, and misogynistic.
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feminists seek female privilege. they have no problems with traditional ("patriarchal") values as long as they favour women.
 
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SecondLine

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Ory said:
feminists seek female privilege. they have no problems with traditional ("patriarchal") values as long as they favour women.
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mate. Aside from feminism obviously being a huge multifaceted movement which means many different things to different people. The whole 'feminism is just as bad' argument is exactly the sentiment of Scuba's original tweet.

If what you're saying is 'I agree with Scuba' then maybe give the article another read
 
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CrowleyHead

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Oh for christ's sake, how the hell did we bring feminism into this as well? This genre is just overwrought with this sort of thing...

Put it to you this way, do you know how many of the people who upload the anorexic hipster girls in underwear as backgrounds for some new Deadboy song are FEMALE?

Let's get back to race, class and cultural projections. Throwing gender in the mix is just going to make this thread into PURE farce territory.
 
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juanroberto

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slackk said:
I think post dubstep is definitely mysogynistic because it pitches down any vocal samples to make girls sound like weird transvestites on ketamine
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Hola,

JR here. Just thought i'd draw some attention to Slackk's thoughts that transvestives are 'weird'. There's obviously something wrong there.

Don't forget his recent album cover, i'm sure you all know that's a minefield.

:cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
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UFO over easy

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it's not about trying to make the claim that an entire scene is misogynist or bigoted, but drawing attention to the ways in which quite nasty stuff can infiltrate if producers and djs don't take charge of the way their material is presented.

bignose said:
These types of discussions just prove how middle class and boring this scene is, it has no "edge" what so ever.

SWEEP DEM GALLY TO THEM SIDE, SWEEP DEM GALLY TO THE SIDE.
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i think statements like this, whether they're intended seriously or not, belie a really widespread patronising attitude towards the demographic who make supposedly 'edgier' music. what point are you making? that working class producers are incapable of engaging with gender or class issues? or that they shouldn't? or that it's a good thing if they don't?

Ory said:
feminists seek female privilege. they have no problems with traditional ("patriarchal") values as long as they favour women.
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fucking hell man read a book or two
 
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wise

wise

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This is hardly anything new, underground dance music has been using attractive women to sell stuff to blokes for years and years.
Also I can think of very few nights i've ever been to where there weren't plenty of leery blokes trying to crack onto any girls in attendance.
I think it's a bit of a fantasy that there was ever such a thing as a sexless dancefloor.
Personally E always made me pretty horny.

Epic fail from Scuba yes but just because you like someone's music and feel you're invested in a scene doesn't mean the other people in that scene are necessarily going to share your political viewpoint.
The law of averages means that some of them are bound to be twats.
 
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UFO over easy

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wise said:
This is hardly anything new, underground dance music has been using attractive women to sell stuff to blokes for years and years.
Also I can think of very few nights i've ever been to where there weren't plenty of leery blokes trying to crack onto any girls in attendance.
I think it's a bit of a fantasy that there was ever such a thing as a sexless dancefloor.
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no arguments that it's been around for decades (it has been, but what i think has changed is that it's become more dominant - i don't see any alternative represented) but where does the assumption that a lack of leery dudes and dodgy advertising techniques would lead to sexlessness come from?
 
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