GENESIS: The Dissensus Bible Group.

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sadmanbarty

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corpse says jazz is loads of rubbish with a couple of good bits every now and then that rap samples and distills.

that's how i feel about the bible. gems hidden in inanities that western civilsation has spend 2000 years digging through and making wicked.
 
luka

luka

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You can't divorce it from that context can you. It's very difficult to separate what is powerful because we have had 2000+ years of making it wicked, and what is inherently powerful. It's all tangled together. That's part of what makes reading it interesting. Even for people like us who didn't grow up with it, aetheist families in a wider secular culture.
 
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sadmanbarty

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precisely. also that it's this hugely important thing. it all has a grandeur and weight to it.

it's probaby what your third's and k punks and ben watsons of this world are after with revolution-as-aesthetic.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
It is worth thinking about - the need we've always had for mythologies.

In the atheistic 21st century it seems we're denuded of myth but perhaps it's just been siphoned off into other things. Obvious things like conspiracy theories, but other less obvious things too.
 
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sadmanbarty

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it's why the homophobia in dancehall's so delicious.

it's taking something as petty as violent anger and imbuing it with millenia of history, with religious awe, with magic, with moral sacrosanctity...

taking an every day emotion and making it so rich.
 
luka

luka

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Corpsey said:
It is worth thinking about - the need we've always had for mythologies.

In the atheistic 21st century it seems we're denuded of myth but perhaps it's just been siphoned off into other things. Obvious things like conspiracy theories, but other less obvious things too.
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Part of grant morrisons shtick is that superheroes from comics are modern day gods.
 
luka

luka

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sadmanbarty said:
it's why the homophobia in dancehall's so delicious.

it's taking something as petty as violent anger and imbuing it with millenia of history, with religious awe, with magic, with moral sacrosanctity...

taking an every day emotion and making it so rich.
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And the biblical stuff in roots reggae is a large part of its magic. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. 30 pieces of silver.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I read something in the LRB about a history of Islam and apparently there is a lot more wine involved than the fundamentalists today would like to admit.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
The Tower of Babel is such a powerful story and it recurs again and again... I like Kafka's typically self-defeating take on it where each generation realises that the next generation will have better technology to build and so they will need to knock down what is already built and start again, and so each generation just builds houses for the next one to live in and the tower itself is never started.
 
pattycakes_

pattycakes_

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sadmanbarty said:
to be fair, i've tried listening to the bible and the quran a couple of times and they're much more boring than you'd think. all the magic and wars and rape and all that obscured behind torrents of family trees being spelled out or repeating the same thing over and over and over again.
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i knew it!
 
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