blissblogger

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blissblogger: 5 hardcore tunes that would still rock a dancefloor today

that's too hard - i'm not sure what the calculus would be here - like, which dancefloors are we talking about, which crowd today etc

the things that rocked in 91-93 were sent out to a particular audience, primed through the journey that the music had taken to get to that point, the drugs everyone was on, etc etc

i mean, it's hard for me to imagine any body that couldn't be rocked by i dunno urban shakedown 'some justice' or the house crew 'nino's dream' but it could easily be the case that a modern body - a young body, reared on different types of beat and tempo, affected by different drugs or no drugs at all - they might just find those type of tunes too hectic and rhythmically overloaded, too dirty in terms of production - just incomprehensible

i suspect (i fear) that it would be most rhythmically straightforward tunes of that era that would still work i.e. ones with a bit of 4/4 or linear pummel to them

it's a scary thought that one' s most adored and totemic tunes are not in fact immortal

will 'energy flash' the tune not in fact live forever? orbital's 'chime'?
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
that's too hard - i'm not sure what the calculus would be here - like, which dancefloors are we talking about, which crowd today etc

ah c'mon. let's say 20-35 year olds who are relatively savvy when it comes to underground music which is not an uncommon demographic nowadays

the things that rocked in 91-93 were sent out to a particular audience, primed through the journey that the music had taken to get to that point, the drugs everyone was on, etc etc

yeah, and i would have asked for your personal top 5 serotonin rush tunes back when you were raving if i wanted that kind of answer, but that would be too easy :) this is why i asked this question, the parameters are all different now. but something tells me there are plenty of hardcore tracks that would still work. in fact almost a year ago there was this really great resident advisor mix by eris drew that has a nice amount of hardcore/breaks in it. she's playing out all over the world now and a lot of djs seem to be dropping bits of breaks in here and there, but usually only 1 or 2 tunes at a time. i think it's tough to find the tracks that would work, but if there was anyone to ask on here it would be you

i mean, it's hard for me to imagine any body that couldn't be rocked by i dunno urban shakedown 'some justice' or the house crew 'nino's dream' but it could easily be the case that a modern body - a young body, reared on different types of beat and tempo, affected by different drugs or no drugs at all - they might just find those type of tunes too hectic and rhythmically overloaded, too dirty in terms of production - just incomprehensible

sure, but are there no tunes, maybe a bit more creatively restricted but nonetheless total bangers, that could work now? the two you mentioned were great

i suspect (i fear) that it would be most rhythmically straightforward tunes of that era that would still work i.e. ones with a bit of 4/4 or linear pummel to them

i've definitely seen people go mad for proper breaks with no 4/4 in the last decade plenty of times to know it works. but the tunes that would keep people moving for the whole time would have to work within the much more restricted guidelines. it would be more about the song structure being stable as opposed to the rhythms. just undeniable grooves, funky basslines, cosmic pads and trippy bleeps

it's a scary thought that one' s most adored and totemic tunes are not in fact immortal

will 'energy flash' the tune not in fact live forever? orbital's 'chime'?

energy flash will live forever.
 

blissblogger

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pure guesswork, based on nothing (certainly no empirical data derived from actually existing dancefloors in the present)

2 bad mice - 'bombscare'

SL2 - 'on a ragga tip'

bizarre inc - 'playing with knives'

edge - 'compnded'

cloud 9 - 'you got me burnin' up (nookie and ray keith remix)


so all fairly linear, vampy, uplifting - the cloud 9 actually is the most junglistic but cuts through on pure diva power i'd have thought


if bleep was to be counted, then i'd like to think 'aftermath' by NoW or LFO's 'LFO' or 'we are back' would cut through

then there's the belgians - outlander 'the vamp', cubic 22 ' night in motion' etc etc

also proto-hardcore - Todd Terry things like CLS 'Can You Feel It' -

 

droid

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Acen still works, but generally it seems to be as much about production as anything else. Reckon there's a lot of Basement that would go down well.
 

Leo

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love this stuff but it would clear most 20somethings off the dance floor today. the music nerds would enjoy it but everyone else would start checking their insta.
 

droid

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I think you'd be surprised. The last jungle gig I did had a bunch of randomers in and there was a look of total wonder on their faces when certain tunes dropped. Reminded me of the old days.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
if I might

first tho, on "punk consensus" - UK punk mentality was Year Zero kill yr idols "No Elvis Beatles or Rolling Stones in 1977" and rightly so, to stake the position, but it was never literally true. The Damned and Siouxsie both did Beatles covers. all the kids of that generation grew up with the early Beatles rocknroll records. the true sonic backlash was against prog, and The Beatles predate the prog/punk axis, or rather they straddle its creation at both ends, a dynamic they themselves were aware of, i.e. White Album in part a return to to stripped-down rocknroll. (U.S. punk was less invested in clean breaks/idol killing - in fact venerated its elder statesmen like Reed and Pop - and so you have The Ramones copping their name directly from a Macca pseudonym)

anyway, tho I am personally no great fan - quite like a couple songs, loathe a few, the rest whatever -defending the Beatles on this particular charge is doable

lol I know all of this even Rotten actually liked the execrable Pink Floyd. everything was a pose! punk 77 was a pose! that's why the clash sucked! they actually believed their crap. that's why it was finished by 78

either post-punk or emphasise the most anti-R&B elements through hardcore.

But the shockwaves of year zero actually lived on through UK culture for a long time. both in white kids and their infatuation with black music and the rebellion against bourgeois hippie values. out with the smiles and in with the skrewfaces. even blissblogger the beatles fan was impacted by this in E flash. if that beatles fandom hadn't been broken down uk rave music would still be progressive house or goa trance or something like that. even the doors were tortured by acen.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Dear Crowleyhead,

Please do me a list of the 10 most underrated rappers (with example song) of the last decade. Thanks.
 

version

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Mvuent's top ten electroacoustic bangers.

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mvuent

Void Dweller
top ten stone age electroacoustic bangers

I’ve been getting into this stuff chronologically so this will only be a “best of” pre-1960. basically the era when it took 1000 years of programming to generate a sine wave. a lot of it might seem disappointingly primitive at first glance.

but to me that’s what makes this first era so interesting. especially if you're trying to "get it" beyond initial like/dislike. materials are so limited that the creativity that went into this stuff is all the more apparent. you know the building blocks (basic waveforms, white noise, reverb, tape manipulation) well enough to be surprised by what people thought to make with them. at the same time, there’s a sense in which the opposite is true: the now antiquated tech they used adds qualities that would be almost impossible to properly imitate with a “better” modern setup.

my ambition of writing something about each of these quickly started to feel like a chore. but if you're wondering wtf I was thinking by including or placing any of them where they are I'd be happy to discuss

10) Ernst Krenek - Pfingstoratorium (Spiritus Intelligentiae Sanctus)
there's a better quality version on youtube if you actually want to close listen, I just like this video

9) Halim El-Dabh - The Expression of Zaar

8) Otto Luening - Fantasy In Space

7) Györgi Ligeti - Glissandi

6) Toru Takemitsu - Static Relief

5) Luciano Berio: Omaggio a Joyce

4) Iannis Xenakis - Diamorphoses

3) Ligeti - Artikulation

2) Karlheinz Stockhausen - Gesang Der Junglinge


1) Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
 
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mvuent

Void Dweller
requesting patty's 10 favorite pre-1995 house tunes.

also version's 10 favorite youtube vids. could be music or just anything interesting or funny. deep cuts from the living hall of mirrors.
 

version

Well-known member
5) Luciano Berio: Omaggio a Joyce

There's something incredibly eerie about this one paired with that footage, that shot of the row of houses out the window of the car feels like it was taken by a serial killer.
 

version

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Something that strikes me about this stuff is how lonely and isolated it all sounds, like a distant star.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
Something that strikes me about this stuff is how lonely and isolated it all sounds, like a distant star.

was thinking, in regards to third's thread, for me there is a certain "zoomed out" quality to a lot of this stuff. like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_game. a lot of these composers, like xenakis, used words like "clouds" or "galaxies" to describe the dense clusters of sounds they used, which I think fits as well.
 
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mvuent

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There's something incredibly eerie about this one paired with that footage, that shot of the row of houses out the window of the car feels like it was taken by a serial killer.

there's definitely an eerie quality but not in a fear-inspiring, serial killer kind of way for me. I guess I hear it as "magic" in a more positive sense.
 
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