Conceptual art: what's the point?

version

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but if an artist has previously done only unconventional music (which, regardless of whether you like him or not, is largely the case with actress), then taking a conventional approach is in fact a radical change, no?
They said it was almost radical though.
 

version

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The Uncertainty Principle

Any uncertainty in you, the critic, can be hidden by neatly attributing it to the work. You can't decide whether the work is naff, or charmingly naive? Then say it "hovers between woeful inadequacy and unaffected poignancy" (Martin Coomer, Time Out, 20.1.99). You can't make up your mind if Pollock's paintings fit or don't fit with their time? Then write that "they seem at once to embrace and reject the entire sweep of artistic production (of their time)" (Jeffrey Kastner, Art Monthly, February '99). Paradox is the name of this game - a verbal flourish which papers over the cracks in your argument.

The Comfort of Mediocrity

If you want to be a successful critic, whatever you do, don't criticise. To make value judgements smacks of elitism (see "Great Art" above). Except for charming eccentrics like Brian Sewell, few experienced critics speak out against an artist's mediocrity and incompetence - perhaps because it reassures them about their own: "The photographs of Ulf Lundin are almost entirely devoid of visual interest ... It is ... their very mediocrity, their monotony and their emptiness that attracts us" (John Tozer, Art Monthly, February '99). This journal seems to revel in the more dismal manifestations of post-modernism, which puts its unfortunate reviewers in something of a spot, desperately trying to find something positive to say: "Didensen's video is very likeable mainly, I think, because of its desperate aimlessness."
 

Leo

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plenty of other dumb shit on RA, guess that just doesn't rise to the top of the pile for me.
 

version

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That wasn't the argument I was making, plus you can say that about anything. There's always something worse. I just stumbled across it whilst looking up the new album and thought of the thread.
 

sus

Moderator
I think the hard thing is figuring out what art should be up to

Fully agree it has ended up in one of the worst possible timelines

But it's harder to point out a timeline worth switching to for most of the mediums

There's some good painting out there but very very little, it just seems like a hard problem
 

luka

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I was thinking yesterday that paintings problem is finding a subject. There's always a surfeit of talent, it just doesn't always know what to apply itself to
 

luka

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This is the same across the board.mwhere to focus attention? what is the urgent question? Where should we look? I think druggy psychedelia and The Spirit in the full Heideggerian Nazi German Idealist sense.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
My suspicion is that painting e.g. doesn't have a primary place in our culture anymore, and can't. It's exclusively stuff you go and visit a gallery (for most people this probably means once a year, if that) to see. It's a peripheral artform. It can't compete with TV. Same goes with literature. There's an underlying futility to all this "serious" literature, and that's in part because books don't matter nearly so much anymore.

Even music doesn't have the importance it did before. It's become something ambient, to lay over the world or a video clip.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Modernism was a wilful reaction against the old, but also an adaptation (attempted) of the arts to the new world, which back then was a lot less new than ours.
 

luka

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it certainly doesn't. whether that means it can't is another question entirely. if a group of people with a modicum of talent and ambition come to value it and use it to express their ideas and perceptions and values then you will end up with something interesting. that isn't happening now as far as i know, and doesn't look likely to, but it's not impossible. television doesn't do the same thing as painting. you don't meditate on the image, you get carried by the flow.
 

luka

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the issue painting has is that it doesnt provide enough stimulus to people who are basically completely fucked and dead inside. you need a cattle prod to get through to them
 

luka

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they need to have something done to them. they need to be zapped with electricity. they're so dumb and bovine and ready for the cull it's almost hopeless
 
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