sus
Moderator
Yeah I've seen this said more often than I've seen eugenics suggested in the first place. It's a cute comeback, tho
Your Journey to the Alt-Right.
Yeah I've seen this said more often than I've seen eugenics suggested in the first place. It's a cute comeback, tho
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I think there are squeamish people in every walk of life
I think "progressives are pussies who can't make hard decisions" is a reactionary caricature
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
lol I do not
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Grow up. Seriously. Or donate your balls to science. That might test your testes.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
and please point to where someone said "all rightwingers are racist"
sus
Moderator
I've seen a fair number of comments in the last month, on this thread and others, claiming—without any felt need for justification—that the alt-right is nothing more than a cover for racism. These comments went unchallenged and in some cases were seconded. I don't need to link them because I really don't care about proving obvious shit to you.
Tapping out of this conversation because it's lame and stupid
Tapping out of this conversation because it's lame and stupid
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
"I was only shitposting lol sorry yr feelings got hurt" is always the lamest excuse btw
say what you want. equally, don't be surprised when there are consequences for what you say.
say what you want. equally, don't be surprised when there are consequences for what you say.
linebaugh
Well-known member
alt right and general rightwingers are very different things.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
"I could totally prove this to you but I don't need to because this stupid and you guys are stupid and I'm taking my ball and going home"
sus
Moderator
We're in a thread whose literal purpose is asking people why they've gravitated to the alt-right. I'm not remotely alt-right, but I am tempted by some of their views, and turned off by contemporary leftwing politics, and I'm telling you that I see a kind of "everything is nurture," economic-or-identitarian-ailments-are-the-root-of-every-problem optimism that's imo a little idealistic about 1) human nature 2) the bottom-end of the human competence bellcurve 3) the coming technological displacement of meaningful work, and how bad the meaning crisis could be now that religion has been purged from our society, 4) about understanding and managing complexity, about pushing for rapid changes in complex systems with optimism about emergent effects (see high modernism & the imperalist legacy). The meaning crises that religion's downfall has catalyzed ties in with #4—general Chesterton's fence stuff. None of this is crazytown IMO; these are all pretty standard critiques of progressivism, and IMO smart progressives are 1) aware of them, 2) admit them.
If you wanna yell at me for that, go for it. You'll be yelling to yourself; I'm logging off.
If you wanna yell at me for that, go for it. You'll be yelling to yourself; I'm logging off.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
well, I mean, you're the one who says "the left" "abandoned" you
idk what you're worried about
I'm sure you'll enjoy the coming libertarian technocracy paternalistically ruling UBI proles who are incapable of contributing to society
but I thought you were leaving
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
no one's yelling, btw
these young people, they can dish it out but they really cannot take it
these young people, they can dish it out but they really cannot take it
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
you'd have to go a far way to find someone more cynical about human nature, competence, or the extant/coming crisis of meaninglessness
I am not an optimist, nor an idealist. it's part of why I would never identify myself as a "progressive" albeit I share some values.
I think your prescriptions are narrow, arrogant (the arrogance of youth), and have equally as many unsupportable assumptions about human nature
you're free to try to convince me or whoever why you're right and we're not. or you can take your ball and go home.
threatening to leave stops being cute when you do it all time, just FYI.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
in the rush there I forget I had to something to say to this
no - troll necessarily implies malevolence in a way the trickster does not
tricksters can be harmful but they don't have to be and they usually aren't - self-absorbed and selfish, but not actively malevolent
the trickster doesn't trick for sake of tricking but with some purpose in mind, whereas trolling can be and often is an end in itself
constant escape
winter withered, warm
One of the things that is of great interest to me (and still needs a lot of evaluation, testing etc) is the notion of inconsistent ideologies, or moving between value systems that are each optimized to different ends. Still not sure how well it could be implemented, and what kind of lives can be led in doing so.
edit: that is, unity despite incongruity
And regarding the slippery slope of gene editing, in a similar way to how bias is preserved and active in programming: I think with the proper checks and balances, and sufficiently egalitarian standards, we can scale down the slope and make it to the other side without falling into some crevasse. Not sure how well the imagery works in that metaphor, but I think the point gets across.
And @suspendedreason shouldn't be hounded on a selective basis of when and when not to generalize.
All categories are liable to be stereotyped by positions from any other category, as far as I can tell, as stereotypes function as a higher order, and lower resolution, means of communicating information about categories. Clearly, relying on stereotypes to get points across is lazy, and it can effectively leave some people in the dark and out of the conversation - but then again who among us has the Cosmic Eye sufficient to see every detail through, and not need the crutch of information-compression that stereotypes provide?
I'm not convinced by this argument. I think where you end up is probably what you are deep down.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
I do think @suspendedreason is articulating something that is at play, consciously or unconsciously, in many people who would identify as progressive. I feel what he's talking about.
I get that that is an unfalsifiable claim, but it is something of a working belief.