dubstep is bad

thirdform

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No I will verify this.
funky house is 4/4 all day, it's the less interesting thing
I can't tell if I'm trolling I don't know were I am

correct opinion in a cursed thread. It's laughably ignorant (and middleclass-centric) to think funky did anything that house hadn't done for 20 years before it. the best funky tunes were those which sounded the least like funky and the most like grime. But as a whole they were a minority in the funky scene.

In fact, the minimal house of 2001-2002 was miles ahead of funky which used the same damn bongo loop and same rhodes samples and orchestral hits. People say dubstep was boring, an opinion I'm sympathetic to, but if you want proper songs why not just listen to 80s disco/rare groove?

great mnml house shit from 01.
 

thirdform

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love this stuff from the late 90s/early 00s, just pure minimal hi tech samba.



there was a funky techno tune that my mate from leeds played to me in like 09 and that's when i was like nah allow this UK funky. can't remember what it was called though.
 

thirdform

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it was probably swedish, something on svek joel muhl or something.

will sort out a sample. another one he played in that dj set was this great clanging metallic tribal thing, just mind blowing at the time.

Im international bruv. Whereas Shiels for all his anti-racism is a died-in-the-wool british patriot (only UK music is allowed // living in Dublin!)
 

thirdform

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Colonel Sanders1 month ago
My ex used to rinse this back in the day. an absolute sweaty sketty girl, but she had good taste in music.


does not get more mental than this. proper 92 ardkore for the 2000s generation.
 

Corpsey

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I was listening to a Martyn set from 2007 yesterday, feeling rather nostalgic. That music is easier to love - it's full of warm, crunchy samples.

But I was also listening to a Youngsta set from 2007, and some Vex'd/Loefah choons. Very sparse, emotionally stern, "portentous" (is how luka would describe it). Bare bones. None of the manic energy and fun you get in grime.

Never fail to bang on about this but that music "hit different" in DMZ/FWD/Stealth.

I remember when I first listened to it on my PC speakers and headphones at home I thought it was boring as fuck. I was basically completely into Drum N Bass at that time so I thought it was far too slow and plodding to dance to. Then I went somewhere where you could feel it in your nostrils, and I became a true believer.

Now I can't hear it without applying the dissensian lens of hearing it as boring nerdy music, a desecration of the bubbly and fun spirit of garage, etc. But I didn't come to it with that stuff in my mind.

I used to love all that "dark" drum n bass (up to a point), too.
 

thirdform

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Now I can't hear it without applying the dissensian lens of hearing it as boring nerdy music, a desecration of the bubbly and fun spirit of garage, etc. But I didn't come to it with that stuff in my mind.

I used to love all that "dark" drum n bass (up to a point), too.


See once again you take the journalist orthodoxy on this and aggravate me because you just won't yield to london. despite Simon living in NYC/LA during that time. He even admitted (was it in bring the noise?) that the American 2step nights were much more laid back and relaxed. Club garage was seen as grown up semi-sophisticates music, with hyperbolised hauteur (adult hardcore.) dark garage was mainly a pirate radio phenomenon and even the early grime raves were pure under 18s business. So Solid Crew was absolutely hated by the mature garage scene. Dubstep was just a logical consequence of that pirate sound. It sounds great out of a crackly signal with a massive compressor. Half of the dubstep boys peaked when they were 16-17!
 

thirdform

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love this passage from @blissblogger, where he is at his most internationalist and links dark garage to electro. but patriotic fans did not understand - there was no one big family.

This cheeky hip-hop collage approach is what Dee Kline is all about. Based around samples of a TV comedian imitating a Rasta, Dee Kline’s ganja anthem ‘I Don’t Smoke’ was a pirate anthem and then reached Number Eleven in the pop charts after being licensed by major label EastWest. The canny Warners subsidiary also picked up the sample-laced ‘Bound 4 Da Reload’ by Oxide & Neutrino, which did even better: straight in at Number One. Hanging out at EastWest, this eighteen-year-old duo look like archetypal garage kids: Caesar haircuts, flash mobiles, gold bracelets, spaceship Nikes. Together with their clique So Solid Crew, a thirty-strong MC/producer/vocalist collective, Oxide & Neutrino also run a pirate station, Delight FM. It was while DJ-ing on a pirate show that Oxide got the idea for ‘Reload’, his very first track. Someone phoned in a request, and when his voice went on the air, you could hear Casualty, the TV show about a hospital emergency room, on in the background. When DJ Oxide faded up the track on his deck, Casualty’s theme fitted perfectly over the beat.

Tunes like ‘Reload’ and ‘I Don’t Smoke’ are polarizing the UK garage scene, creating an instant generation gap. The old-guard axis of garage DJs like Tuff Jam and The Dreem Teem regard these sample-based tracks as ‘novelty tunes’ devoid of the sexy swing that the scene was originally founded on. ‘There’s a committee being set up by all the UK garage dons, just like the top jungle DJs and producers did back in ’94 when the music was crossing over,’ says Zed Bias. These scene elders are blocking the new music – a futile and pre-doomed attempt to arrest the very mutational process that spawned UK garage in the first place. ‘They’re trying to control things, but they haven’t kept their finger on the pulse. All they’ve done is shut themselves up in this exclusive little room.’ Meanwhile, the younger audience who grew up on jungle and pirate radio love the new, rough-hewn style of garage – what Dee Kline calls ‘future rave’.

Neutrino attributes the snide comments made by established DJs about ‘Bound 4 Da Reload’ to sheer jealousy at its astounding success. But it’s probably as much because the track sounds less like garage and more like a new-millennium renovation of electro topped with nagging and nasal rapping from Neutrino. All it really has in common with the garage played at swanky clubs like Twice as Nice is the 130 b.p.m. tempo. ‘Reload’ doesn’t actually sound like a cheesy novelty song at all. It’s bleak and ominous, from the doom-booming sub-bass palpitations to the morgue-chilly echo swathing the track and the ice-stab pizzicato violins. The latter are ‘Strings of Death’, maybe, given the samples of gunshots and an agonized voice pleading, ‘Will everybody please stop getting shot!?!’ – a black humorous allusion to the rising blood-tide on London’s streets. Taken from the UK gangsta movie Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, the sample in ‘Reload’ plugs into the grim realities of a Britain where crime is soaring, despite or maybe because of the boom-time prosperity. Wealth remains unevenly distributed through society, and kids are under enormous peer pressure to own status commodities like mobile phones, expensive clothes and jewellery.

Propped against the counter of Uptown Records in D’Arblay Street, just a few minutes’ stroll from Oxford Street, a black girl complains bitterly: ‘S’like I was sayin’, garage is all commercial now. Nobody’s keepin’ it real.’ The real-ness is coming. Just like drum and bass when it reacted against LTJ Bukem-style coffee-table jungle, the next wave of garage producers are stripping the music down to bass and beats. You’re even starting to hear the kind of caustic industrial noises that originally drove the girls out of the techsteppin’ main arena and into the garage side room in the first place. It smacks of cutting your nose off to spite your face, but it’s an inevitable cycle. UK garage’s sublime equilibrium between yin and yang, treble and bass, light and dark has been maintained for an improbably long time. 2000 is UK garage’s fourth fabulous summer in a row – an eternity in the high-turnover world of British dance culture. Now the scene looks set to plunge into wintry darkside mode, as if girding itself for the next recession.
 
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