Out of curiosity, what "indie" is on the US Billboard Pop charts now, or earlier this year ? I don't know and I'm genuinely curious.
Reynolds' Pazz & Jopp essay
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But here's where I don't quite get it. I think your average American has always liked a mix of what's on the radio, with most people preferring rock in a "rockist" way. It's only the hipster demographic that these trends apply to in the first place. So I guess he's talking about shifts in what hipsters like?
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the Shins, Regina Spektor, Of Montreal, Grizzly Bear, I think all of those charted, right? I'm trying to look up exact figures
Try and distinguish between yourself and everybody else Swears! Not everything in the world exists as an interrelation to indie.
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Then there's the Decembrists...
http://www.mlscmusic.com/new_releases/BILLBOARD 2006 web.pdf
This is one of the few things I'm finding...
http://www.mlscmusic.com/new_releases/BILLBOARD 2006 web.pdf
This is one of the few things I'm finding...
Yes, but most people (Hipsters, whatever) continue to consume in this way, there is a confusion with Reynolds' between the INTERNAL rockist consistency and obsession of those inside these scenes and the EXTERNAL promiscuity of those consuming (or if not full-on fashion led promiscuity in the classic hipster mode then a detached non-scene member vampirically absorbing from a distance, perhaps with great interest but never of the situation per se...) The people who label Sunn 0))) and Boris etc as "hipster metal" are those inside-- attempting to preserve the cultural purity of their scene from outsiders who like the MUSIC but not so much the trappings...
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noel emits
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You're probably right unfortunately.
I thought it used to mean someone who was actively engaged with creating and thinking about culture. Is that something else?
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hipster=hyperconsumer
noel emits
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What kind of a thing is that to be?
Guybrush
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We have had this argument before, and I still don’t like that definition. Your 18-35 in-the-know demographic I would rather define as ‘hip’, leaving ‘hipster’ to denote a certain sub-culture (or, perhaps, a mode of being).
noel emits
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Noise, Dubstep and Metal. They are all great musics to accompany the hyperconsumption of drink and drugs. But in a kind of harsh way. Not too escapist. Not austere, still hedonic, but with a cynical, wizened edge. This ain't the 90s no more. But people still want to get off on one.
but everyone is a hyperconsumer now
isn't it someone trying to be cool, or are there two flavours, the fashion-victim and the trend-setter/follower (i.e. most of Dissensus?noel emits said:
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swears
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Wasn't american indie like Beck, Pavement, etc the hipsters music of choice during the 90s? Whereas now everybody else has sort of caught up, it's no longer marginal music. You could say the same of hip hop or 80s revivalism. It's too mainstream to be hip now. That was my point.
I don't think any of them are hedonic in the slightest really, beyond a kind of numbing narcosis of physical musical affect. Wonder why Reynolds' ignores minimal techno, surely that's as loved if not more so than these three genres amongst these people? Except it kind of destroys his thesis perhaps?
I thought it was all tortoise-esque post rock and sonic youth?
Guybrush
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In what way?
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but everyone is a hyperconsumer now
isn't it someone trying to be cool, or are there two flavours, the fashion-victim and the trend-setter/follower (i.e. most of Dissensus?
i should qualify that by saying early adapter. everyone's a consumer but early adapters are considered the most important in the "biz" sector
but everyone is a hyperconsumer now
isn't it someone trying to be cool, or are there two flavours, the fashion-victim and the trend-setter/follower (i.e. most of Dissensus?
There are elements of both though- one is about seeming, appearances, the other far less so, or perhaps merely in a different sense (depending on how charitable one would want to be..) But for the former category surely just having a death-metal t-shirt would suffice?
Thank you for the link, but I don't see any of the bands whom you mentioned in those charts, nor in the current Billboard Modern Rock charts, nor in the Hot 100, nor anywhere else (I may be wrong!).
Though by no means am I pretending to be an expert here, I have the impression that in the US "indie" rock of the Of Montreal/Grizzly Bear variety simply does not sell anywhere near the levels that hip-hop, r&b, modern country, and corporate emo/'modern' rock of the fallout boy/my chemical romance variety sells. Am I wrong?