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version said:
"Some students want Nietzsche in the same way that they want a hamburger; they fail to grasp - and the logic of the consumer system encourages this misapprehension - that the indigestibility, the difficulty is Nietzsche."
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this stuck with me too. I think it appeared in his blog first? I want to just do it like neo “I know Kung fu”, no effort just put it in my brain. remember reading Nietzsche at 16 and getting the buzz from reading the difficult brooding philosopher at 16. Reading Nietzsche to be a Nietzsche reader
 
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constant escape said:
Yeah, I've only begun considering "intellectual gymnastics" as a distractive control tactic. Suck the more promising minds into discourse that only seems more and more alien as it gets elaborated? Even as I say this, I believe in all the jargon I fling around here. Do you think there are a lot of scholars/academics who traffic through all this stuff without believing in it? Or ,at least, without making an effort to render it more accessible?
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There's a CIA paper from the '80s on French intellectuals where they talk favourably about leftist infighting and anti-Soviet and anti-Marxist leftists because they make it more difficult to mobilise significant intellectual opposition to US policies.

 
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There's a CIA paper from the '80s on French intellectuals where they talk favourably about leftist infighting and anti-Soviet and anti-Marxist leftists because they make it more difficult to mobilise significant intellectual opposition to US policies.

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The CIA Reads French Theory: On the Intellectual Labor of Dismantling the Cultural Left - The Philosophical Salon

It is often presumed that intellectuals have little or no political power. Perched in a privileged ivory tower, disconnected from the real world, embroiled in meaningless academic debates over specialized ... Read More
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shiels

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Linebaugh said:
CR was depressing but I found there was something uplifting in how clearly he diagnosed the problem. Demystified the problem I guess.
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I found this too. The best part about it was the attack on current mental health chatter. Luka disagreed on this but he’s probably revised his opinion after a second read in 2020
 
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Woah. Version with the intel.

I'm inclined to think that the best counter to such obfuscative tactics (if a counter is in order) would be to subsume all such discourse in its entirety, then swing/steer its momentum into the opposite direction - the direction of accessibility.
 
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I'm not committed to a coherent consistent self. I have to just act on the whim of the moment
 
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shiels said:
this stuck with me too. I think it appeared in his blog first? I want to just do it like neo “I know Kung fu”, no effort just put it in my brain. remember reading Nietzsche at 16 and getting the buzz from reading the difficult brooding philosopher at 16. Reading Nietzsche to be a Nietzsche reader
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This is as close as you could get to uploading nietzsche’s philosophical view into your brain, highly recommend and i can say with relative certainty that fisher would endorse “geuss’s nietzsche” if you will. 100x better than walter kaufman. Speaks plainly and clearly, ive relistened to this series 3 or 4 times. Link——>
 
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shiels said:
I found this too. The best part about it was the attack on current mental health chatter. Luka disagreed on this but he’s probably revised his opinion after a second read in 2020
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The stuff on mental health was one of the knottier aspects for me as I couldn't help but feel there was a bit of "There's nothing wrong with me. It's the world that's wrong!" to it.
 
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ah, that was an attempt at a joke :alien:

Jokes aside I do like his idea that that the left should push the mental health thing more. The capital is why you are sad angle
 
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The world is wrong, but I don't think taking a mentally ill person out of the world and sticking them in another would necessarily cure them of their illness. Surely mental illness existed long before capitalism? Also the people I know and have known with mental health issues have often been traumatised by specific things.
 
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What did I disagree with? I've forgotten.
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It was a reaction to throwing around the word neoliberal. Neoliberal subjectivity. Self for sale as a source of misery, and the solutions on offer (CBT, medication) cementing the idea that you’re the problem... I think you just hated the word as a catch all for why everything is shite
 
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Nowadays it seems as though mental health issues have taken on their own 'realism' where it's accepted that a lot of people have anxiety or depression and that's just how it is, e.g. the spread of self-deprecating, "me irl" humour online, people identifying with Bojack, doomers etc.
 
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