Mr. Tea
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The Natural State
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entertainment
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it's like people who go to Rio and expect it to be this magic land with bossa nova in the air, sensual bodies all singing and laughing, grilling chicken for each other on the street, drinking beers and playing cards
and then are appalled by the trashy streets, extravagant flashing of wealth and ubiquitous western fast food places
and then are appalled by the trashy streets, extravagant flashing of wealth and ubiquitous western fast food places
pattycakes_
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People mythologise places they don't know all the time. Then they travel enough to realise
pattycakes_
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Funnily enough, to so many Brasilians I met, Germany is utopia.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
If you have kids, the factual horror that these are among their inheritances remains grotesque.
Trying to source ethically produced foods, limiting their internet time and grounding them in as many visits out into the wilds as possible is what I try and sustain as a Dad. Camping, purifying water sources, cooking basic meals. All sounds a bit veteran in the woods, I know, but they love it.
I’ve found my own hard earned balance. Kids can get enveloped in this synthetic abhorrence, so they need trustworthy guides. Britain is a spectacular island if you explore it fully. The answer, as always, is outside urban zones.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I'm hoping to get my lad into this sort of thing in a few years. Living within shouting distance of Dartmoor is a big plus.
He'd better enjoy looking for mushrooms or the little fucker might find himself up for adoption.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
How does the natural, here, relate to equilibrium? I'm imagining a sort of landscape with valleys and hills, wherein it takes work to get up over some hill to attain rest in some valley. And there may well alway be a lower valley.
Can this translate to the kind of natural state(s) talked about here? Might it not be a matter of dropping the flak and fluster, but a matter of working through some kind of ingrained noise? Working through it, as in a kind of meditative practice - but an active one, an observational one.
Can this translate to the kind of natural state(s) talked about here? Might it not be a matter of dropping the flak and fluster, but a matter of working through some kind of ingrained noise? Working through it, as in a kind of meditative practice - but an active one, an observational one.
entertainment
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well I didn't conceptualise 'the natural', I was just using it to identify this vague recurring theme in lifestyle trends
constant escape
winter withered, warm
If we are valuing the natural as a state of balance, perhaps there are a variety, even a hierarchy, of such states, and getting from one to the "next" higher one involves purposefully disrupting what may otherwise feel like perfect balance. Disrupting, as in, leaving the rest of the valley to "climb" some incline, exerting work and thus experiencing disequilibrium, in order to arrive at the "lower" valley, the better balance. And so on.
luka
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thats what we were talking about on Gus's Forking Paths thread
luka
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i dont think its particularly relevant here as breathing carbon monoxide and particulate matter is difficult to spin as bootstrapping yourself to a higher state of consciousness
but having said that there are obvious and very good reasons why sensible people are reluctant to posit an ideal state as that idea contains a kernel of totalitarianism. that's why it's more usual these days to think of a multitiude of states which are predicated on different inputs and different orientations and different values
but having said that there are obvious and very good reasons why sensible people are reluctant to posit an ideal state as that idea contains a kernel of totalitarianism. that's why it's more usual these days to think of a multitiude of states which are predicated on different inputs and different orientations and different values
luka
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the urban state of consciousness and sense of being is obviously different to the rural state of consciousness and sense of being. they think and speak very slowly in the countryside for example and they wear gumboots. what you can access and attain, the possibilities available to you depends on where you are.
Surely there's no such thing as 'unnatural'? Everything's made out of naturally occurring things. Our lifestyle isn't unnatural. It's like saying it's 'unnatural' for a chimp to use sticks and stones as tools. They've developed to the point where that's just what they do.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
luka
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"It is a deep feature of the Chinese world-view that man should live in harmony with nature. Now, this belief, which is of course invented by man, brings into man's concept of nature the apparently unifying concept of a potentially stable and meaningful relation between man and nature that is the way of harmony. The ancient sages and poets made claims like this. And yet because man is not a natural part of nature, the very attempt to mend the break and return to a 'natural' way must reveal that the break is fundamental and cannot be reversed. That we can try to return to nature, or wish to do so, reveals that it cannot be done."
more from the JHP essay posted above
more from the JHP essay posted above