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A giant - when it comes to abstract electronic "sound art", nobody did it better than Schnitzler. Such an intuitive approach, so much great music. http://www.fancymoon.com/con_s/

See, this is much more interesting than just knowing that you like it and then either approve or disagree. With jungle/ardcore/rave there is a point worth noticing: it's all about chemical, synthetic joy. Which is a great thing, as far as I'm concerned. But it also makes it much more manic and...

But we're not really discussing anything anymore are we? The youtube clips are not jumping off points for anything, they're just endless recommendations of cool stuff without any critical insights or further thoughts. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing in itself, it's just a shame if...

Am I the only one who is tired of every single thread on dissensus degenerating to a lazy youtube dump? Eventually, even though I like a lot of the stuff presentet here, it's such a predictable display of tasteful and 'nuumologically correct stuff. If you want music that is... ...then why not...

To make things even more bizarre, he was also a huge, almost obsessive Conrad Schnitzler fan.

Here you are.

It does? That's weird, it's not on my copy. It do contain a lot of other absolutely great titles, though, such as "Cold Night For Alligators", "I think of Demons" and "Creature with the Atom Brain". Actually, I've never been completely convinced by 13th floor Elevators, but this record is simply...

I have the Fear album, the title track is by far the best I'm afraid. Though the other tracks do have a bizarre kind of charm, mostly because of the ridiculous lyrics

Well, yes, they're spoiled, but why are they spoiled? Isn't this actually acknowledging that there indeed was a greater amount of incredible stuff coming out in the golden age of rave, at a much faster speed? Og course, this is not the same as to say that the current stuff isn't great, just that...

Martin Damm totally belongs here too, he made a ton of incredible breakbeat-meets-acid records: http://www.discogs.com/Biochip-C-Hells-Bells-EP/release/24144 http://www.discogs.com/Alec-Empire-Biochip-C-Das-Duell/release/19324 www.discogs.com/Biochip-C-Biochip-C-EP/release/25214...

Not much of it was ever really "nice" though, and that's probably what those guys making the rough guide had a problem with. His early records were so hyperactive and crazy and full of ideas and melodies and mad rhythms and whoosy cosmic noises. Sci fi stuff in a really pulpy way. That's what I...

Good to see Heckmann getting some credit. He have made, what, hundreds of records, many of them acid, and many of them really really great.

Totally with you here. It's not that the detroit producers didn't make good music or don't deserve their place in electronic music history, it's those people who have devoted their life to defending the "faith" and pushing their own narrow view of that history that annoys me. Something like...

That guy was actually Lasse Steen, who made countless hardcore acid records that really belongs in this thread I think. The funny thing is that now he's producing completely populist dance/trance, so his discophobia is certainly over. The point, though, was that for him techno startet with the...

I agree with this, sure. I never said it developed in a vacuum. My point was that detroit techno wasn't an indispensable part of what the german techno scene became overall. You certainly couldn't remove an impact from american house and acid generally. Again, I never said those things happened...

The original statement was that there would still be some kind of scene around these places in berlin and the same people. Well, of course we'll never know, but why on earth not? I never said it happened in a bubble. It was an anecdote, meant to illustrate that of course people knew Inner City...

There wasn't much interaction between the british and the german scene of the late eighties, they followed differet routes. And exactly the point that germany had its own techno thing going on was very important for that, I think. They weren't as dependant on import records as the british. As...

You think all those people wouldn't have continued to make music if they hadn't been introduced to detroit techno? Actually, I once asked a guy involved in the early germanic rave scene (the part taking place in denmark, but still the same music involved) about if they were aware of any detroit...

What part of it is not true? I'm not claiming that the germans invented techno, but that they had their own scene going on independent of the detroit one, and that their early rave scene - from which most of their later development came - was built on this scene in combination with acid. And I'm...

Yeah, a lot of the same stuff went into both scenes. The main difference is the role house played I think. Detroit was so close to chicago that they were almost part of that scene. Actually, until they decided to set themself apart in 1987, you could argue that they basically were part of that...