baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Your colleagues probably meant to say Saudi Arabia, where it is illegal to build churches. They are both pretty close on the map though, so it's easy to see why they made that mistake.

But more interesting to me is that both the BNP and the anti-imperialists argue their points in broadly the same language. Radical tafiri clerics, pissed off English nationalists, environmentalists, liberal journalists, etc, etc.... their complaints are (ostensibly) equivalent.

Saudi Arabia, India - they sound the same, too.

How do you mean 'in broadly the same language' ...not sure I understand..?

Just had a look at yr blog, Vimothy - interesting post about top-down/bottom-up models of the economy, have been thinking about that this week in the context of central planning of developmental states.
 

vimothy

yurp
Really I'm just re-hashing the original thought of someone more interesting--as usual--in this case, Olivier Roy. He points out that fundamentalist (actually, he calls them "neofundamentalist", but that need not concern us here) Muslims talk in the language of human rights and liberalism, even though their ostensible goals are the antithesis of what is traditionally thought of as the sine qua non of human rights and liberalism.

Similarly, the BNP call their opponents "fascists". Griffin brings legal proceeding to bare on someone who "racially abused" him. White peopel are the victims of racism too. Their frame of reference is the same: the same as my frame of reference, the same as radical takfiris, the same as a leftist NGO... The intellectual and cultural debate is no longer about whether communism or fascism is superior to liberal democratic ideals, but whose ideology matches up to those ideals best. The end of history, then, er, only not quite.

Just had a look at yr blog, Vimothy - interesting post about top-down/bottom-up models of the economy, have been thinking about that this week in the context of central planning of developmental states.

Do tell! You are doing a postgrad course in development studies?

There are a wealth of interesting macro models being published at the moment, which change the basic assumptions of the standard DSGE model with homogenous agents acting across an infinite time horizon with complete knowledge in Walrasian markets. Most of these models are designed to generate endogenous and self-reinforcing business cycles. (For example, John Geanakoplos' GEI leverage cycle model). Point being to develop models that don't assume crises away at the outset.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Really I'm just re-hashing the original thought of someone more interesting--as usual--in this case, Olivier Roy. He points out that fundamentalist (actually, he calls them "neofundamentalist", but that need not concern us here) Muslims talk in the language of human rights and liberalism, even though their ostensible goals are the antithesis of what is traditionally thought of as the sine qua non of human rights and liberalism.

Similarly, the BNP call their opponents "fascists". Griffin brings legal proceeding to bare on someone who "racially abused" him. White peopel are the victims of racism too. Their frame of reference is the same: the same as my frame of reference, the same as radical takfiris, the same as a leftist NGO... The intellectual and cultural debate is no longer about whether communism or fascism is superior to liberal democratic ideals, but whose ideology matches up to those ideals best. The end of history, then, er, only not quite.

Do tell! You are doing a postgrad course in development studies?

There are a wealth of interesting macro models being published at the moment, which change the basic assumptions of the standard DSGE model with homogenous agents acting across an infinite time horizon with complete knowledge in Walrasian markets. Most of these models are designed to generate endogenous and self-reinforcing business cycles. (For example, John Geanakoplos' GEI leverage cycle model). Point being to develop models that don't assume crises away at the outset.

Ah, ok, gotcha. So the way in which the goals being appealed to have been linguistically normalised, even if the intentions behind them remain radically different (sometimes). Just as appeals to 'democracy' come from all ideological sides.

Yep, doing an MSc. The idea I was particularly interested in is that the eocnomy cannot be seen as this legible, completely comprehensible entity that can be planned (also linked to seeing the nation state as the level at which change must be carried out). Don't know what I think beyond broadly agreeing with that, however!

On a tangent, to me it is analogous to the one idea that really stuck with me and influenced my everyday life after my politics degree - that political systems cannot be understood as these entirely rational things where players have access to an overall picture of what is going on. There were a couple of brilliant articles about the Cuban Missile Crisis on this theme, showing that a large part of this crisis was played out through fuck-ups and misunderstandings, rather than all-seeing rational behaviours.*

* This is the main reason I like The Thick of It...
 

vimothy

yurp
The idea I was particularly interested in is that the eocnomy cannot be seen as this legible, completely comprehensible entity that can be planned

Interesting to see two simultaneous yet contradictory impulses at the heart of development economics. On the one hand, you have the Washington Consensus, which enshrined policy prescriptions born from that insight. On the other hand, the theoretical work that it rested on was thoroughly "top-down", in De Grauwe's terminology. So neoliberalism itself is this weird conflation of Hayekian prescription and "centrally planned", "top down" analysis.
 

scottdisco

rip this joint please
i started to pay attention to Eq Guinea's official English lang govt press office site last summer or so - link

it's good stuff, classic double-speak from a brutal authoritarian regime (bear in mind EG has been on the UN human rights council in recent years)
 

scottdisco

rip this joint please
cometh the hour cometh the man

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big up Alex btw for engaging w colleagues
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
To revert on your point re: racial white attacks, I would love to know where these seem to happen so regularly (except from in Ann’s mind of course).

They do happen, that's not up for question. I would expect there isn't anywhere that they happen "regularly" though, and anyone who's not a total ignoramus would realise that they obviously happen a lot less often than racist attacks of the 'traditional' sort, with white agressors and non-white victims.

But then, if you're dealing with an adult - and a middle-aged adult at that, by the sound of it (is that correct?) - who seemingly gets confused between Hinduism and Islam, or between India and Saudi Arabia, then that's just indicative of an incorrigible retard who's not even worth engaging with.
 

alex

Do not read this.
But then, if you're dealing with an adult - and a middle-aged adult at that, by the sound of it (is that correct?) - who seemingly gets confused between Hinduism and Islam, or between India and Saudi Arabia, then that's just indicative of an incorrigible retard who's not even worth engaging with.

This is correct, her arguments about anything are inane, she seems to think that because I am her son's age I am automatically wrong about everything, fat shit.
 

swears

preppy-kei
This is correct, her arguments about anything are inane, she seems to think that because I am her son's age I am automatically wrong about everything, fat shit.

Try persuading your middle-aged co-workers that free government funded heroin for long-term addicts would be a good idea.
Always a fun conversation.
 
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