The Game - Neil Strauss

[Mr. Tea]

I have to say, zhao, I love your "all women basically act and think the same, apart from all the women I've ever dated or fucked, who were all exceptional unique individuals" jive.

 

[IdleRich]

"If our lives are so predictable, why does the insurance industry exist?"

Surely the insurance industry is able to thrive in the way that it does precisely because it is possible to predict with some accuracy the likelihood of given events - at least for large groups of people. Of course the problems come in when the sample is smaller. It's a cliche to say that people are predictable in large groups but extremely unpredictable individually but from experience it seems to be true.

 

[zhao]

I have to say, zhao, I love your "all women basically act and think the same, apart from all the women I've ever dated or fucked, who were all exceptional unique individuals" jive.

no need to look anywhere else for picture perfect examples of human predictability other than your posts, Mr. Tea.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Surely the insurance industry is able to thrive in the way that it does precisely because it is possible to predict with some accuracy the likelihood of given events - at least for large groups of people. Of course the problems come in when the sample is smaller. It's a cliche to say that people are predictable in large groups but extremely unpredictable individually but from experience it seems to be true.

Well exactly - an insurance company has a good idea how many houses will burn down, out of a million houses over one year. That's a very different proposition from knowing exactly when one particular house will burn down.

no need to look anywhere else for picture perfect examples of human predictability other than your posts, Mr. Tea.

I knew you'd say that.

 

[DannyL]

tea, you are forgetting that we live in society, subscribe to its proscribed values, and almost always abiding by its codes of conduct.

especially in the context of socializing and mating rituals.

notions of attractiveness, notions of social value, status, and desirability... these things we all share.

... and these guys here - http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=7937 - are selling an insight into that. I find it hard to believe that anyone would learn anything from these men, or that they employ "pick up" techniques that work or that they ever ever ever get fucking laid. NSFW.

 

[IdleRich]

"Well exactly - an insurance company has a good idea how many houses will burn down, out of a million houses over one year. That's a very different proposition from knowing exactly when one particular house will burn down."

Well if the analogy holds that would suggest that by applying the same technique to a lot of people (women) then you are likely to get the response you want from at least some of them. Though possibly not the one you like best. Not very romantic though.

 

[DannyL]

Well if the analogy holds that would suggest that by applying the same technique to a lot of people (women) then you are likely to get the response you want from at least some of them. Though possibly not the one you like best. Not very romantic though.

Indeed. It's a numbers game. Comelately said above that some people make it work - well, sure if you appraoch lots of people in social situations, you'll get some positive responses. But is this "techniques" or whether it's just going up to loads of girls. Also, I suspect those who make it work best are those who're convetionally attractive to begin with. I think the idea that someone with the looks/height of Neil Strauss will start copping off left, right and centre is a bit unbelievable. Same for those guys in that video.

 

[IdleRich]

"Indeed. It's a numbers game. Comelately said above that some people make it work - well, sure if you appraoch lots of people in social situations, you'll get some positive responses. But is this "techniques" or whether it's just going up to loads of girls."

Well, if that's the "secret" then I think that it's something a lot of people worked out a long time ago - but surely it's more than that, it's got to be learning what is gonna get the best result from the most people as well. Still, if that's what it boils down to, it's not that much.

"I think the idea that someone with the looks/height of Neil Strauss will start copping off left, right and centre is a bit unbelievable."

Is height really that important or are you just saying that because you're seven foot three?

 

[comelately]

well, sure if you appraoch lots of people in social situations, you'll get some positive responses.

This is by no means the case for all men, or even half. And anyway, there's a big difference between a positive response and actually taking the woman home or getting to date her.

 

[DannyL]

Really, I'd say most men don't do this at all.

PUAs do. I suspect that's the big difference, and where most of the results come from. I'm sure there's other stuff in there that "works" - basics about confidence, not being a completely fawning dickhead etc but most of it strikes me as selling water by the river.

Anyway, everyone should watch that video! Those men do not get laid!!

 

[comelately]

Really, I'd say most men don't do this at all.

You misunderstand. Some men, quite a lot of men, could approach hundreds upon thousands and barely get a positive response. There is more to it than that.

Those guys in that video may well suck, but that video does not really tell you that much given the circumstances. It's entertaining for sure.

 

[zhao]

I knew you'd say that.

no you didn't. liar.

 

[zhao]

selling water by the river.

what do you think about those classes corporate execs pay for to become better leaders?

how about relationship counseling where what they teach can be basically boiled down to "be nice to eachother"?

 

[DannyL]

comelately: I did get you. Just from my observations anyway, it'sthe numbers game/approach thing, more than "technique". I am sure some of it works, to a degree, but there's a hellacious load of bullshit attached, and the further it gets away from go up to people, and be a bit funny/charming. YMMV.

ZhaoL: Why are you feeling compelled to defend this stuff? I'm sure some of it works to a degree as I said. I'm also sure plenty of it is embedded in a bunch of ludicrous bullshit - AMOGing, negging, stupid neo-Darwinian theorising by uninformed halfwits.

 

[benjybars]

when i worked in a bookshop he neil strauss came to do a signing. twice.

massive, MASSIVE wasteman.

 

[comelately]

comelately: I did get you. Just from my observations anyway, it'sthe numbers game/approach thing, more than "technique". I am sure some of it works, to a degree, but there's a hellacious load of bullshit attached, and the further it gets away from go up to people, and be a bit funny/charming. YMMV.

I don't really disagree. I think sometimes the bullshit attached is what enables men to make the approaches, and does give them a map to help them chart progress and enable iterative 'progress'. The map is not the territory of course, and some of the maps are pretty retarded - which obviously causes problems for some.

Being a bit funny and charming is also a big ask of some people; it can be learnt of course.

 

[baboon2004]

The 'double-cold-approach threesome':

 

[john eden]

"that whole monogamous settling down thing, that's what people are going for right now"

L O L.

 

[baboon2004]

that dude has the zeitgeist on lockdown.

 

[john eden]

that dude has the zeitgeist on lockdown.

He literally has the awesome shit, coming right out of his ass.