The Game - Neil Strauss

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The reason I was taking the piss out of this idea of having set 'lines' to 'feed' to your intended is that unless you're chatting up some giddy bimbo who'd giggle and simper if your read out the phone book to her, I'm pretty sure genuine wit and spontaneity is going to go down a hell of a lot better than rehearsed patter.

Of course, they may be ways you can learn to be more spontaneous and witty, but to a large degree I think it's probably just something some guys have and others don't. It's all intimately linked with confidence. I think what's key is knowing when you've drunk just enough to give you that crucial courage and verbal fluency, but not so much that you're slurring or having to grope for words too often.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
What a lot of men don't realise is that a quick grope is actually an excellent way to break the ice.

Thanks Neil!
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
The reason I was taking the piss out of this idea of having set 'lines' to 'feed' to your intended is that unless you're chatting up some giddy bimbo who'd giggle and simper if your read out the phone book to her, I'm pretty sure genuine wit and spontaneity is going to go down a hell of a lot better than rehearsed patter.

Of course, they may be ways you can learn to be more spontaneous and witty, but to a large degree I think it's probably just something some guys have and others don't. It's all intimately linked with confidence. I think what's key is knowing when you've drunk just enough to give you that crucial courage and verbal fluency, but not so much that you're slurring or having to grope for words too often.

I have written far too much on this thread already but... We all have rehearsed little lines and routines anyway, favoured jokes, stories or routines, sets of things we do when meeting new people. Learning some of these in a formal sense seems a bit ridiculous but a lot of social interaction is pre-rehearsed, so I can sort of see the logic. Tea - I could imagine you up late at night with a dictionary, crafting some truly terrible puns.
 

swears

preppy-kei
I think this thread is so long because you all really want to know the PUA magical secrets/tantric sex tips.
 

swears

preppy-kei
Actually the best way to attract women is to get a girlfriend. You wait ages for a bus and three come along, etc... where were these girls when I was single?
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
not sure if this has been posted cos i can't be arsed reading the whole thread but,
if that's not enough to put you off...
 

Ory

warp drive
Of course, they may be ways you can learn to be more spontaneous and witty, but to a large degree I think it's probably just something some guys have and others don't.

so they should just give up? far better to give it a shot, no matter how ridiculous or morally bankrupt one may find these tactics to be.

skimmed a few pages of this thread, no doubt i've heard all the arguments before. polemicists pulling up the most egregious examples to make their "point" etc..

all i have to say is there's definitely a level-headed approach you can take to this whole thing, avoiding all the misogyny/frat-bro awfulness. there's a great video of Tyler from RSD (real social dynamics) deconstructing the community and why people get into PUA, it gets a bit meta but it's interesting. actually as i recall, his advice is "learn what you can then get out, because this probably isn't something you want to be stuck in for most of your life". truer words have never been spoken.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
far better to give it a shot...however morally bankrupt one may find these tactics to be.

well, that's fine reasoning, nothing to take issue with there I suppose.

skimmed a few pages of this thread, no doubt i've heard all the arguments before. polemicists pulling up the most egregious examples to make their "point" etc..

bro it must suck to be such a wise jaded internet guru who's totally seen everything and can just magically wave his hands and glibly dismiss everyone's points (sorry, "points") into some lazy generalization about polemics. not that you've resorted to polemics I'm sure. it must get lonely up there on your pedestal of dismissal. I'd climb up there and keep you company but I can't imagine what we'd talk about, no doubt you've heard it all before...
 

Ory

warp drive
pretty much :D

edit: i read all your posts in this thread and tbh it doesn't sound like you're too familiar with what goes on in the community and what its main tenets are. at the very least, watch a few DVDs of each of the major actors (RSD, MM etc, or one of the superconference ones to get a taste of each one).
 
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droid

Guest
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Actually the best way to attract women is to get a girlfriend. You wait ages for a bus and three come along, etc... where were these girls when I was single?

You weren't giving off the correct "I'm really not that bothered" vibes. Annoying, isn't it.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
i first heard about this book on a boat to sweden. there was a young norweigan sailor on there who i was having a few drinks with at the bar. he had on these crazy boots that had 4 or 5 inch soles, something (what i discovered after reading the book) like what mystery would wear, and he'd spiked his hair up with gel. he was going on about it, how it had changed his life. how he used to be a nerd but now had these amazing powers and had managed to have 2 threesomes after about a year of practice. in my drunken state this all sounded great, plus there were lots of scandinavian females dancing all nasty on the dancefloor. my interests were piqued. got nicely sauced up and went to bed. forgot about it all the next day. after a week or two, i was in a bookshop in stockholm and saw the book on the best seller's table, my memory was jogged, i opened it up, had a quick leaf through, 'nice' i thought to myself. but at the time i was living with a gf there so it was useless. put it to the back of my mind again and didn't think about it for half a year or so. till round about the time when the gf left me. yeah, must have been about then. i googled it and found a pdf, thought why not, and read it in 2 days.

was quite the page turner, made it all sound fairly simple. just go out and learn how to not feel bad if you make a tit of yourself. one of the first steps on the road to becoming a pua was to go to a public place and say hi to every female you see. learning how to deal with rejection n stuff... i don't think it ever even crossed my mind to actually go out and try any of the steps. felt too unnatural. too weird.

actually, long story short. i dl'ed a torrent or two of videos, audio and documents (mostly from the 'top' guys) and tried to see if there was anything useful in there. the more and more i read, the more i realised that a lot of it was common sense and shit that a lot of us do naturally anyway. and the stuff that didn't fit into that was just kind of weird and icky. i have a feeling i've negged a few girls before. but not in a conscious 'ha, i'll lower her self esteem so she feels like she has to prove something' way. more as just a kind of joke, which they laughed at. in fact thats pretty much the steez that works, making em laugh and being natural. im not bad at being silly n cracking jokes, and its something that just happens without having to think about it. and i think that's my problem with this whole thing, the way this system is supposed to work requires a certain amount of planning and canned responses n stuff. in short, that's just wack. wack wack wack.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
If anyone still has any doubts that PUA is totally retarded, they should have a read of this news story - noted PUA Gunwitch shoots a young women in the face on NYE:

http://jezebel.com/5726841/noted-pick+up-artist-allegedly-shoots-a-woman-in-the-face

And if you want proof that will make you laugh like a drain:
http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=10496

Former pickup artists detail the most socially moronic things that they ever did in the name of PUA. I found this thread an absolutely unbelivable comedy goldmine.

(Warning: that thread is okay but generally that site is NSFW).
 
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