luka

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i wouldnt recommend it. it wont enhance your life. but you do get inured to acting.
 

luka

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and the conventions of television. i am a serious intellectual so i very rarely watch tv and when i do it seems ridiculous. but you get used to it.
 

Mr. Tea

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i finished it just now. watched the last two episodes. let me make a serious point, another one. when the writers, of below average, some would say subhuman, intelligence fail to extend the critque of ideology outwards to encompass us in the winner west, the whole spam face show feels like cheap propaganda, for a war which was won 25 years ago.
Why should the writers of a dramatization of a Soviet accident, cause by Soviet bureaucracy, crowbar in a critique of Western countries, beyond gratifying the Oedipal anti-government prejudices of progressive audiences? You're just demanding that they make the kind of propaganda you want to see.

Speaking of which, did you know Russian state TV made its own dramatization in response, which blamed the accident on American saboteurs?
 

luka

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Tea, you have missed my subtle point. try again, this time with your thinking cap on or you'll get detention this wednesday
 

Mr. Tea

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i was, sort of joking, sort of serious, i felt it was a mistake and i didnt like it. it was clear to me that she was a made up character in a show which mostly stuck to the facts and that made me uncomfortable.
Just as well they didn't go into the response from Western countries then, I mean they'd probably have done something totally ridiculous like made the British PM a woman or whatever.
 

Mr. Tea

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Tea, you have missed my subtle point. try again, this time with your thinking cap on or you'll get detention this wednesday
Haha, I'd silently made a bet with you that you would say exactly this, so now you owe me £5.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
i was, sort of joking, sort of serious, i felt it was a mistake and i didnt like it. it was clear to me that she was a made up character in a show which mostly stuck to the facts and that made me uncomfortable.
I think she was an amalgamation of characters or something. But I agree doesn't necessarily sit comfortably with the fact that the main guy was real and the main bad guys were literally real.
What annoyed Liza was the fact that the main guy - who was a nuclear scientist that the fucking president phones up - is depicted as living in penury that would have shamed some homeless heroin addict. USSR may have been a bit poorer than the West but that didn't mean the elite lived in a badly lit broom cupboard.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Also... the weird guy who does that speech about belief in Lenin, Liza contends that that kind of communist fanaticism had been pretty much entirely replaced by cynicism by that point.
 

Mr. Tea

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So that's settled, then. It was a piece of propaganda for both Western capitalist jingoism and man-hating radical feminism.
 

Mr. Tea

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Also... the weird guy who does that speech about belief in Lenin, Liza contends that that kind of communist fanaticism had been pretty much entirely replaced by cynicism by that point.
Fair enough, but had people stopped bothering even to be seen to pretend to be proper communists?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
To change the subject slightly... gf back from France, sitting on balcony smoking cigs and drinking wine and she puts on the soundtrack to The Singing Detective, actually not the best soundtrack but still the best tv I've ever seen.
 

catalog

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brilliant tv, the singing detective. one of the classics. i did watch chernobyl i think but i cant remember any of it at all
 
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