Shoegaze

other_life

bioconfused
i'm glad that tambala is opinionated about dream pop being a black music first, because i was honestly skeptical of this piece just glancing at that playlist until i read him state its thesis point blank. he was there at ground floor and he's got a right to say that, there's weight to him saying that which there isn't when some Poster appropriates a.r. kane to make some kind of ~point~ (that they always act like they're the first to make).

"But that’s what the experimental edge of Black music always does; invent, innovate and create new shit, which is rapidly imitated and assimilated." - well thank god for black invention.

pull quote from spring silver, no comment on this really just worth highlighting -
"There are so many Black rock musicians, but most of them aren’t getting the shine they deserve. It’s kinda crazy to think about. One of my friends, Bartees Strange is on the come up right now. When people were reviewing his music they were talking about how novel it was to have a bold Black voice in rock music. It’s crazy to me, because it’s 2020! People are like “Can you believe it? A Black person, talking about the Black experience! And it’s not hip hop” or whatever. It seems so rare but it’s really not."
 
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boxedjoy

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just finished the Mixmag piece - Tambala's perspective is interesting but if you follow AR Kane on Facebook he's been saying this for years in more funny and provocative ways...

No Blunt and also no Yves Tumor. Also I rarely bother with popular drugs guide Mixmag and this reminded me why - the website is a nightmare of pop-ups and poor formatting.
 

other_life

bioconfused
to be fair blunt is in the playlist (but teams/yves tumor isn't)
there's something to be said expanding on 'shoegaze [and by implication chillwave] is white people slow jams' but i'm too tired to say it
 

catalog

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i actually think frank is ok, but he's maybe a little affected? i just put it down to a west coast thing. whenever i see someone with one of those blonde chains, i tell em to check dean blunt. i like "thinking of you" alot, got it on a mix CD in the car and it gets a lot of rewinds off my wife.


i never really got into yves tho. too extra for me. had a go but nah.

but i liked some teams stuff when it was out.
 

catalog

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irt: dean blunt, i am embarrassingly and singlemindedly obsessed with his stuff right now (it's happened before) and don't feel uh, lucid enough to give a -fair- take on 'how has shoegaze impacted dean?' other than saying that his sampling felt and the pastels is a big tell.
i think that if he's trying to say anything with black metal it's that any raciology of popular music is counterproductive and racist, that genre categorisation implies a raciology to begin with and that when music like a.r. kane (or the cocteau twins or the valentines (or hype williams)) is contemporary, it defies all of that.
the black man has to fly to get something the white man can walk to.
i think something like eg "wahalla" could be retrospectively shoehorned into "shoegaze" or "dreampop" but what's a bit unique about db is that variety even within that format, like there's wistful in there, but it gets coupled with proper dread as well.

i am getting more and more into a.r. kane, i do actually really rate them now, has just taken a while.
 

version

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i actually think frank is ok, but he's maybe a little affected? i just put it down to a west coast thing. whenever i see someone with one of those blonde chains, i tell em to check dean blunt. i like "thinking of you" alot, got it on a mix CD in the car and it gets a lot of rewinds off my wife.

I like this one, although I find it difficult not to imagine him singing 'Donald Trump' instead of 'Forrest Gump'.

 

blissblogger

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There's a bit of a logic glitch in that article's argument - AR Kane saying they were hugely inspired by Cocteau Twins, about as unblack as musicians can get!

(spoken as someone inclined to argue for AR Kane's supreme godhead and centrality)
 

Dusty

Tone deaf
I struggle with some of the more recent Yves Tumor work, but this track floored me. Stunning.

 

other_life

bioconfused
There's a bit of a logic glitch in that article's argument - AR Kane saying they were hugely inspired by Cocteau Twins, about as unblack as musicians can get!

(spoken as someone inclined to argue for AR Kane's supreme godhead and centrality)
i was gonna say you were spittin but i think the entire point of the line of argument is to question how 'unblack' cocteau twins really are to begin with
 

Dusty

Tone deaf
Has the discussion already been had about just how good the comeback Slowdive album was?

Because it was good, incredibly good... I can't think of another band making such a strong statement 20 years later.
 

hucks

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Has the discussion already been had about just how good the comeback Slowdive album was?

Because it was good, incredibly good... I can't think of another band making such a strong statement 20 years later.
It was really good, saw them play a bit of it live at a festival and it sounded great there as well. And the Avalon Emerson rmx of Sugar for the Pill was fantastic too
 

Dusty

Tone deaf
The drummer Simon Scott remixed it as well, and I think it's even better than the Avalon Emerson version, or the original for that matter.

 
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