Vinyl dying (for DJ's)

IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
"Also, in my experience, people who spend a lot of money on vinyl specifically tend to be dead fucking broke and actually have far less money than they need. Arguably, they shouldn't be spending their money on records but... (see first paragraph)"
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Ha - spot on. Trying to keep some ebay seller off my back cos I bid on a record I literally can't afford until the end of the month.

"i recently read some crazy study results where 15% of vinyl record buyers (and 26% of those 18-24) never actually listen to it. the study said they buy vinyl "to keep", which i guess means to show off as a lifestyle accessory in their apartment"
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I met someone whose job it was to buy the "right" expensive and tasteful books to decorate the house of some super-rich Russian. At least the record buyers are presumably doing it themselves.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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have noticed a lot of modern vinyl remasters are actually worse sounding than the originals (which ytou can pick up on discogs perhaps for a little more). my neu remasters didnt sound as good as i hoped so am selling them on... (i might have said this already, but its important i think and another reason why a lot of the 180g reissues arent really that attractive if you care about sound as opposed to weight and a nice plastic sleeve)
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

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I'm pretty sure there is no reason for a heavier bit of vinyl to sound good than a lighter one but they keep churning them out.
 
trza

trza

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I think the theory is they are less likely to warp, and allow deeper grooves but aren't really cut that deep anyway.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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a lot of those guys on vinyl forums seem to go back and forth about the effectiveness of weightier pressings - i think its just a psychologically attractive idea, that a thicker slab of vinyl would mean longer life, though i think they would have to weigh more than 180g for that claim to really stand up. you would need some biscuit-style pressings. also i think the condition/quality of your needles is a big factor too.

surprised dubstep guys never got into 180g pressings or raising the weight levels. or making 14" records for wider grooves. i reckon mala and loefah fans would have gone for it. dmz need to get in touch with jack white.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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ok, yeah, i wouldnt know, i havent bought any dubstep vinyl for about 2-3 years. he should think about using some jack white style gimmicks though.
 
droid

droid

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The heavier the vinyl the less likely it is to warp and there's lower resonance. Thats about it.
 
trza

trza

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I have a problem with the heavier vinyl pushing its way through the paper sleeves. Its really annoying, I bought some double 12" with cute artwork and super fine paper sleeves but the super heavyweight vinyl had pushed its way through the thin paper on all three sides.
 
Sectionfive

Sectionfive

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owengriffiths said:
Who knows maybe in the next 50 years they'll learn how to manufacture vinyl with the spindle holes the right size.
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Steady on now.

Was in a formerly high street music shop during the week. They sell mostly phone/ipod accessories and tourist crap now but also have a load of vinyl down the back. Something they had stopped selling years ago. It's all 100 albums you should own stuff though and at extortionate prices. €30 for Pet Sounds, Nevermind etc. Everything 180g gatefold special limited collectors blah blah. Seems like a stupid approach if the idea is encouraging anyone into buying physical product.

Saw a new EP being plugged on facebook last night. First comment was

"six tracks? I would be worried about the sound quality"

Can't please some people.


Have noticed on discogs recently that UK prices have become inflated compared to elsewhere. Not every record but has definitely become more acute over the last year. Wondering is it a reflection of demand. Something could be under a fiver in France, Germany, NL etc but would be approaching twenty quid from a UK dealer. So you are caught trying to get balance between initial outlay and postage more often now than a year or two back. On the upside, all the MAW style stuff that everyone loves again sold thousands originally so can be picked up for fuck all.
 
firefinga

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Vinly for DJs definitely Dying...

...in my neck of the woods. Which is Austria/VIenna. Truth be told, I bought my last new recorded 12 Inch in 2009 so.... Anyways, recently I got the vinyl itch again and checked some of the small dj specialist outlets that I used to buy from for roughly a decade, if not 15 years. There were 5 such stores back then, today it's only 2 which are still in business. The rest closed shop for good.

In the big electronic stores I occasionally visit due to demands regarding my job (buying computer gear and such) I definitely see a resurgence of vinyl, strangely enough. The biggest chain store here kept a small bin of vinyl over the years, but the last two years those are expanding! And it's all the 180g stuff! Albums!

So yeah, there is a small vinyl renaissance, but it's not DJ vinyls. All in all, I like vinyl to stay, so I am not opposed to the otherwise rather questionable 180g vinyl cult of late. Because it's to a great extend a little bit of a snob-thing, isn't it? But personally I don't care for the actual product, I am in my mid30s now and started buying vinyl 20 years ago, and it was almsot exclusively dance 12s. Never bothered to buy albums on vinyl, just CDs.

Yet, I can't do the mp3 DJ thing. I have tons of mp3s of course, but I got no attechment to it emotionally, whereas I still love my few 1000s of Techno and Dnb vinyls.
 
chava

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When I was in Vienna last year I visited Das Market, Substance and Tongues - all pretty good vinylwise. I believe there's a drum n bass store there as well called Dynamic or something similar.

Anyway, you're probably right and I feel the same sentiments. But tbh didn't lots of dance/dj-music back then had a pretty short shelf life to begin with? No need to own that in physical format.

Maybe all this will mean less and less recorded/released music and more and more focus on the live/unique experience for better or worse.
 
trza

trza

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I always understood that twelve inch vinyls had an extremely small profit margin. Something about the way they are pressed up and distributed then sold for less than an album. Such a huge quantity were either promotional gifts or would sit unsold in a record store before mark downs or being sent back. The age of a house or disco track with three mixes of the same track on a twelve inch singe are long gone. An electronic or dance artist can release an EP single and expect to sell a few copies.
 
Sectionfive

Sectionfive

bandwagon house
Been very fortunate that my main local shop has got in crates and crates of seven inches that used to belong to some radio DJ. All of it seems to be promos, mostly 60s/70s/80s at a euro each. I appear to the only the person mining the stock. Have picked up lots of incredible records, oddities and occasional bonanzas that I could then sell on. Found two! of these and got rid of one ;) Recouped the cost of everything I've spent on these records and more. Nothing beats spending a day rooting around, getting to recognise labels, making links between producers or songwriters you never heard of and learning what or if artwork design corresponds to a certain era or scene.

My sets are turning fairly retro now but all of it timeless. Big house DJ from these parts dropped a crate into a local charity shop recently. You got a real sense how disposable whole catalogues become as trends move on. Which is slightly reassuring as I'm not spending 8+ plus on new 12 inches every other week. Carrying just a bag of seven inches now instead makes it all the better.
 
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petergunn

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IMPORTANT UPDATE: 26.03.2015

BM SOHO’S PARENT COMPANY BEAT CONTROL LTD HAS NOW CEASED TRADING.

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this is not a huge surprise... i went there when i was in london in december and there was like 50 records in the whole store and no one in there.... i mean, selling new white label dance music 12"s to djs in 2015 is not a viable business plan... and all the gear and shit people buy online or somewhere else...
 
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