salute tottenham

sufi

lala
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close

the guardian partly redeems itself for the awfulness of its lead reporting
so all it takes are a couple of triggers:
2 police cars on fire in tottenham yesterday evening
http://dannyhackett.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/the-tottenham-riots/
& then after t-mobile over in wood green got smashed up and police did not respond the whole street got mugged within a few hours
http://dyingbreed-27.blogspot.com/2011/08/n17-n22.html
http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/local-impacts-of-last-night
in n13 it was sirens & helicopters all night long
i could really do with a new laptop if anyone's out this evening, looks like rain tho :(
 

gumdrops

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exactly what i am saluting? the people whose shops got looted? or the people who have to work and live in that area who probably got something of theirs destroyed? if they all robbed tesco or argos i could kind of see some sort of skewed 'sticking it to the man' type angle but most likely it was small business owners who dont have that much money to spend on looters and rioters and generally dickheads fucking over their property.

that said, yeah, i salute the protest. just not what followed.

its still not clear if the guy shot the police or not is it?
 

gumdrops

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also id like to see people 'saluting' this kind of thing in their own neighbourhood. 'yeah good on you burning down the building my flat is in! nice one!'

i know people are tying this to the cuts and so on, but its prob just to do with ongoing resentment about police brutality in the black community. but if this guy shot at the police - still not confirmed i know - then you cant expect police not to do anything about it. unless im totally off base, its odd that this issue is not even being touched on in the papers yet. i mean if you wanna riot cos of the cuts, lack of education and jobs, poor services in the area, do that, but if youre a guy shooting at the fucking police, everyone knows whats gonna happen and its not going to be pretty.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
that said, yeah, i salute the protest. just not what followed.

its still not clear if the guy shot the police or not is it?
Well every report I can find says a copper was taken to hospital after getting shot. Seems unlikely the dead guy would have been able to respond if he'd been hit first with two shots from an H&K.
 

mistersloane

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fuck it's all kicked off

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.
 

luka

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the sense i get from highness, gumdrops and tea is you should all just behave yourself like responsible adults when i think that its probably fair to say there is a war being waged against the people of the world. in some sense there is a war on and doing as your told is probably not the best way to respond to a situation like that. i know this is the new dissensus full of dsf refugees and as such basically dull and reactionary, middlebrow middle england parochial mediocre unimaginative flat footed and slow witted (with two, maximum three exceptions) but cant they just stick to the dubstep and post-dubstep threads and not clog up the other ones with boring comments? there was a girl i was talking to that was saying the greeks shouldnt protest becasu they are 'harming tourism' well yeah they are, so were the protestors in egypt, they did terrible damage to the tourism industry... its vry reveling though isnt it... that sort of comment....
 

mistersloane

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If someone is on tweeter could you tell the youth that a double decker should be pushed lengthways across the road before you set in on fire where it becomes an effective barrier between you and mounted police.

And Buckingham Palace on fire next please as a request.

MEET @ PARLIAMENT 2MORROW 2 SHOW DEM WHO RUN STREETS.
 

mistersloane

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Twitter is kindof amazing for this, I've not understood it before.

Brixton, Enfield, Dalston, Walthamstow, Palmers Grn, Ponders End, Earlsfield and Westfield so far rumours and confirmed stuff.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
when something like this happens and get talked about on dissensus i am reminded of who i am, and who i am with.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
the sense i get from highness, gumdrops and tea is you should all just behave yourself like responsible adults when i think that its probably fair to say there is a war being waged against the people of the world. in some sense there is a war on and doing as your told is probably not the best way to respond to a situation like that.
What, by waging war on their own community? Yeah, great, that'll show 'em.

And you can fuck off with this patronising "flat-footed, dull-witted" bollocks, as if getting a hard-on for a bunch of kids nicking phones and trainers makes you this far-out radical intellectual.
 
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gumdrops

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im not saying dont protest cos it will hurt tourism, im saying dont loot and burn places in your own backyard. its quite a big difference luka. it might look cool in a 'ruin porn' flickr slideshow but its not so great to live in. i know ppl that own small businesses and this is the sort of shit that they shouldnt have to put up with. from a wider perspective, yeah this kind of thing makes headlines and gets peoples attention to the fact that people are angry. but at the end of the day the kids looting clothes shops for bags of g star gear werent likely doing it cos they wanted to make a stand for justice.
 

hucks

Your Message Here
Twitter is kindof amazing for this, I've not understood it before.

Brixton, Enfield, Dalston, Walthamstow, Palmers Grn, Ponders End, Earlsfield and Westfield so far rumours and confirmed stuff.
Yeah, twitter's by far the best way to follow something like this. But\ inevitably there was so much rumour to separate from the fact. Also it's often just the same tweet retweeted over and over.

Apparently my local Argos got trashed last night so will check it out on my way to work for which I am late. Argos is a dumb place to trash, cos all the stock is hidden away at the back.
 

gumdrops

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surprised all you armchair revolutionaries arent advocating they go and burn and loot more well off areas instead. surely that would make more sense. but then i suppose theres only so many delis and cake shops you can get stuff from.
 

mistersloane

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Yeah, twitter's by far the best way to follow something like this. But\ inevitably there was so much rumour to separate from the fact. Also it's often just the same tweet retweeted over and over.
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There was a media blackout while it was going on - NOTHING on BBC, Sky, Guardian shut down from 12.58 - the only way you could find out information was through twitter. LBC and 5live both had phone ins going on with people phoning in what was happening but both were so reactionary it was funny.
 
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