Hip-Hop 2012

CrowleyHead

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Why aren't Def Jam going to drop Reese after that video? What a shitty move on their part, if they don't.

Because I'm fully in the belief that Def Jam and others are in the habit of using 'crime' as a form of promotion at this point... It sounds a little conspiracy theory-ish, but look at this Gunplay Saga the past three weeks. The man gets in a ridiculous fight with G-Unit bodyguards, then manages to be found not guilty of robbing his "ACCOUNTANT" for his chain on video... And then, gets released on house arrest? It's a liiiiiittle too convenient.

There's also stuff about the Keef/Reese saga in the media that has me raising more eyebrows than I can count, but I'm too tired to go into that immediately. Short story version, I wonder how closely Keef's management are manipulating him.
 
If you're happy to listen to lyrics full of guns and drugs then I don't think you should really be that outraged over that video to be honest.
 

rubberdingyrapids

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rappers in using crime as promotion shocker! this has been going on at least since snoop came out. then there was 50 cent... keef is just taking it one (distasteful) step further. rap fans' quest for authenticity must be sated.

as ar dr. dre (belated reply), i know dre has basically been a 'tweaker' rather than a proper producers like how he used to be for a while, but thats basically still passing himself off as producer, but i think he should just go above board and hire himself out as a mixer/engineer overall. he could be the rick rubin of mixing/engineering lol. or he should just do it for more aftermath artists (like what he did for busta's big bang) and actually you know, release a few records on the label at least.
 
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NATO

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I'm interested in what the response to that video should be then?

Should be a "woop woop" followed by shouting "world star hip hop dot cooooom"


Was just made aware of the Game track and found my way onto dubstepforum through it - they're taking it well over there haha.
 
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Obviously the video is digusting but why people are shocked at Reese is the bit that puzzles me. Look at that chicago drill scene, that lad got killed the other week and they're taking the piss out of him on twitter.

It's a harsh place and that video didn't surprise me at all is what I'm saying.
 

CrowleyHead

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Obviously the video is digusting but why people are shocked at Reese is the bit that puzzles me. Look at that chicago drill scene, that lad got killed the other week and they're taking the piss out of him on twitter.

It's a harsh place and that video didn't surprise me at all is what I'm saying.

Plus these are teenaged drug-dealers. I mean, these aren't 'good citizens' to begin with, just because we've all had this romanticized idea of 'the honorable G' in rap for a minute.

I'm more annoyed of the fact that I think Keef's management is seriously playing this up. I remember 6 months ago, he was proudly buying clothes for his baby-mother and playing with his daughter on youtube. Then Reesegate, and now his constant banning from Instagram and outpour of violent threats on twitter all the time... Now he's going out of his way to say that Meek Mill shouldn't be harassed by the GDs (American Gang) for their beef with Ross, meanwhile Reese IS an actual GD. So it's getting uglier by the second...

I do think Keef has a really good album in him right now, and I certainly don't want it to be the last.
 

outraygeous

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http://hypervocal.com/news/2012/chicago-hip-hop-murders-and-the-media-blackout/#

Here is a good piece going into detail on the media 'blackout' on the non musical parts of Chicago rap.

Its the lack of journalism that comes with todays digital age that annoys me really. I like reading and absorbing facts. Sometimes, these facts might be wrong but I like that stuff. There are many scenes all over the world that I may get introduced to via the music but after that, it falls short.

With the scenes in London that have happened, I have been lucky enough to be involved in them. Knowing where they stemmed from, who knows who and how certain things panned out and the reasons for them.

My previous posts in the house thread about the shufflers/anti shuffle scene is like something I would like to read about (maybe someone has done it but im none the wiser) and knowing how the London scene is progressing. But im too wrapped up with the people who are very good at using the internet over people who have only just got round to using it (this comment probably makes no sense)

Anyway, im not surprised by the video or the things they say. Was listening to Boy in The Corner on the weekend and a teenage dizzee rascal raps about punching a girl in the mouth. Even backpack rap hero Dilla raps about that.

But when it is reality and people are like 'omg, why is this happening?!' that is just a shame.

Wrote too much and still coming down from drinking too much in Manchester. BACK TO WORK RAY
 

rubberdingyrapids

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its a diff era. the ones in charge of telling the most people about new rap are generally the people who arent as invested in it as the source or whoever once was. so theres not much cultural insight most of the time. plus, post-hipsterdom, people are a bit jaded and cynical about calling rap in for judgement in 2012 (eg - the blog on spin about lupes bitch bad song, not that that was even a great song, but my point still stands). its also just cos were in a morally murky era and people are very easily embarassed about making any kind of moral stand or airing out their beliefs. dont want to offend anyone etc. theres probably also a whole can of worms about certain commentators and getting off on its apparent authenticity but i dont feel like getting into all that right now.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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from the RA piece on trap music (which apparently now means, not music made by jeezy or someone actually from the southern states, but guys like rustie and hud mo :rolleyes:)

Part of what makes trap so objectionable in the eyes of some is its appropriation for populist ends. What made the original trap so gripping was its gritty drama, its "realness." "[Trap now is] largely a middle class movement that has borrowed not only the musical devices of that form, but also taken the cultural symbols, including the name itself... [which is] intensely problematic," explains Teasdale. "They're appropriating social references totally alien to them, sampling lyrics about crack houses, machine gun fire, and most of all, the name of the music itself. Crack house music. That's the thing that's bugging people."
 

baboon2004

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Is that Kuedo who's saying that? Ah yep, it is. A very weird article. Does Lil Jon not figure at all in the lineage of trap?
 

rubberdingyrapids

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the whole thing is just stupid. i know its exciting to talk about new sounds and movements and scenes etc (if this even IS that - my feeling is that its just too vague and bitty to really become its own thing), nothing wrong with bauer or whoever making trap influenced beats, but its just wrong to call it the same name, as a NEW THING.

lil jon should have got a mention just cos he was the one openly talking about using dance presets for his beats back in the early 00s.
 
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CrowleyHead

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