CrowleyHead
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^^^ This.
Also, I realize I probably never showed you guys Khalil.
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Hip-Hop 2012
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echevarian
babylon sister
Y'all ain't got to do shit but stay broke and die."
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echevarian
babylon sister
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
LOVE the phone-dial punctuation in this. Should listen to more Raider Klan. I'm getting a bit sick of ultra-glitzy mainstream/mixtape stuff. I've neglected the weirder side of things lately.
Although not weird I've been listening to that Ka album from last year today and its really good. Compelling flow/words and this great stripped back, joyless monotone seriousness to it.
echevarian
babylon sister
Anyone remember these guys? #oldmanrap
echevarian
babylon sister
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
It's cos you're neglecting it!
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Two big albums I haven't listened to at all -
'God Forgives, I Don't
and
'Life Is Good'
Has anyone heard these, and are they worth hearing?
I mean I know the Rick Ross is probably really good but I'm a bit sick of him. Saying that THIS IS A GOOD COMP of some of his (in the blogger's opinion) best tunes and features gems like this:
The link's dead actually oh well
'God Forgives, I Don't
and
'Life Is Good'
Has anyone heard these, and are they worth hearing?
I mean I know the Rick Ross is probably really good but I'm a bit sick of him. Saying that THIS IS A GOOD COMP of some of his (in the blogger's opinion) best tunes and features gems like this:
The link's dead actually oh well
e/y
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The link's dead actually oh well
grabbed it too (probably after you mentioned it, so thank you), if anyone wants it I'll re-upload it.
I listened to some of God Forgives, but it seems a bit shit. Rich Forever is much better.
CrowleyHead
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Life Is Good is the best Nas has done since Stillmatic, but that's not saying much and honestly, it's a little bit goofy in how ornate it is, yet Nas isn't really sequenced to the environment he's rapping on/around.
God Forgives, I haven't heard enough of, but I hear it's really lukewarm at best.
I hear the 2 Chainz album is wonderful, but based off the singles, I can't touch that thing with a 10 foot pool.
There was a tape from one of the Slutty Boyz I just haven't gotten around to; likewise to the Shy Glizzy Tape. The whole CFOSA axis in the bay (Heartbreak Gang, Iamsu!, Kool John, LoveRance) is pretty cool...
God Forgives, I haven't heard enough of, but I hear it's really lukewarm at best.
I hear the 2 Chainz album is wonderful, but based off the singles, I can't touch that thing with a 10 foot pool.
There was a tape from one of the Slutty Boyz I just haven't gotten around to; likewise to the Shy Glizzy Tape. The whole CFOSA axis in the bay (Heartbreak Gang, Iamsu!, Kool John, LoveRance) is pretty cool...
CrowleyHead
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CFOPA, rather, but the tunes remain the same.
I find 2 Chainz wholly forgettable despite trying to pay attention to him. Fair play to the guy for the late career resurgence though.
God Forgives is really plastic and dull but worth a listen just for Andre 3000's verse on Sixteen.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Loving the sound of all that Bay stuff (HBK Gang one is particularly good), but god the lyrical content needs to catch up. I haven't listened to much hip hop over the past few years so I'm out of the loop, but who are the best lyricists around at the moment, cos almost every single lyric I tune into seems to be about 'the club' and 'fucking bitches'....?
CrowleyHead
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Well, if you're looking for 'content', it'd probably be Kendrick Lamar.
Honestly, I think that content is sorely missed, but when people attempt to provide content so RADICALLY different from their peers, it's always the same messages: You can't trust the system, stand up for yourself, people are dying in the streets etc.
The number one argument I've had since becoming a Gucci Mane fan, was that he was reverse Rakim; ANYBODY can say shit about their chain doing something like something. Not everyone says "Photogenic chain, mayn, photographic memory.". It's no longer about saying something unheard and making it a norm, it's about taking the cliches and warping them to suit your needs.
So if we're all going to hope for 'conciousness', 'intelligence' or just decent content to get there in rap, we need rappers to do that better. Because the ones they provide, quite frankly, fucking suck.
Honestly, I think that content is sorely missed, but when people attempt to provide content so RADICALLY different from their peers, it's always the same messages: You can't trust the system, stand up for yourself, people are dying in the streets etc.
The number one argument I've had since becoming a Gucci Mane fan, was that he was reverse Rakim; ANYBODY can say shit about their chain doing something like something. Not everyone says "Photogenic chain, mayn, photographic memory.". It's no longer about saying something unheard and making it a norm, it's about taking the cliches and warping them to suit your needs.
So if we're all going to hope for 'conciousness', 'intelligence' or just decent content to get there in rap, we need rappers to do that better. Because the ones they provide, quite frankly, fucking suck.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Couldn't agree more, 'consciousness' can become just as much of a dead end as talking about drugs, if it's used as a motif and an excuse just to repeat the same-old cliches.
It's more the total lack of inventiveness/love of language/personality/ability not to sound like a total misogynist sociopath that's tedious. Not even from any moral standpoint - it's just incredibly boring and depressing. Cos there's so much content out there that lies in the vast space between talking about the club and a dry socio-economic analysis. Where are the Slick Ricks (and yes, aware of the famous misogyny here!), the Nases, or the Kool Keiths (I guess you could put Tyler in this category, come to think of it)? Stories, surrealism, anything really...
And I know there are some people out there doing that (not that I necessarily know who they are, hence the question!), but they seem to be dramatically few and far between. Almost like being an unimaginative hypercapitalist misogynist is some kind of default setting for 'what a rapper is'.
It's more the total lack of inventiveness/love of language/personality/ability not to sound like a total misogynist sociopath that's tedious. Not even from any moral standpoint - it's just incredibly boring and depressing. Cos there's so much content out there that lies in the vast space between talking about the club and a dry socio-economic analysis. Where are the Slick Ricks (and yes, aware of the famous misogyny here!), the Nases, or the Kool Keiths (I guess you could put Tyler in this category, come to think of it)? Stories, surrealism, anything really...
And I know there are some people out there doing that (not that I necessarily know who they are, hence the question!), but they seem to be dramatically few and far between. Almost like being an unimaginative hypercapitalist misogynist is some kind of default setting for 'what a rapper is'.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Have you heard Starlito? He does all the standard violent/misogynist/drug dealer stuff but there's plenty of (quite depressing) introspection and (subtle) social commentary going on in his lyrics too. The same is also true of Lito's mate Don Trip.
Also try Big K.R.I.T.
And, as already mentioned, KA. I can't believe I slept on his album so much. I think its just very different from a lot of the rap music I like nowadays - almost backpackerish, very intricate lyrics but there's this gritty toughness to it that makes it an obvious throwback to Mobb Deep/Capone N Noreaga:
Off topic (somewhat) but this Foxx mixtape is worth downloading. He's one of Boosie's mates, strikes a similar balance between violence and pain/sensitivity:
It's not amazing or anything but worth listening to.
Also try Big K.R.I.T.
And, as already mentioned, KA. I can't believe I slept on his album so much. I think its just very different from a lot of the rap music I like nowadays - almost backpackerish, very intricate lyrics but there's this gritty toughness to it that makes it an obvious throwback to Mobb Deep/Capone N Noreaga:
Off topic (somewhat) but this Foxx mixtape is worth downloading. He's one of Boosie's mates, strikes a similar balance between violence and pain/sensitivity:
It's not amazing or anything but worth listening to.