Iowa Primary

Leo

Well-known member
for the GOP, it's going to be romney. it was always going to be romney, the rest is just noise.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
He is the most electable candidate isn't he? So the best choice from the Republican point of view. Or will his Mormonism affect his chances?
 

e/y

Well-known member
surely the most electable Republican candidate is Obama?

/shit troll :)

does the Iowa result mean that Bachman is done?
 

Leo

Well-known member
the far-right wing of the GOP have too many candidates to choose from (bachmann, perry, gingrich, santorum, cain at one point) and, when you throw in libertarian ron paul, that splits the anti-romney vote too many ways. if there was one far-right candidate, they would have had a better chance. romney's goal is to keep them all in the race for as long as possible because as all these candidates linger on, romney's establishment GOP superPAC backers collect more money and will systematically crush every new "surging" opponent.

i suspect the GOP elders are pushing for romney as the least-worst/vaguely plausible/least embarrassing candidate for 2012, but have no real expectation of beating obama. that's why all the strongest GOP candidates -- mitch daniels, chris christie, jeb bush (!), etc. -- bowed out this year. they've given up on 2012 and all have their sites set on 2016.
 
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IdleRich

IdleRich
All true I'm sure. Interesting ruling in Montana mentioned in that article.
(I'm replying to Hucks/Rolling Stone there)
 

Leo

Well-known member
Spoke too soon - seems Bachman is suspending her campaign whatever that means.
first sarah palin, then herman cain, now this...comedians around the country are a little sadder today. please, rick perry, please stay in the race. while it's often easy to chuckle at newt, he doesn't have the potential for comedy gold like perry.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
Having seen Santorum blathering about the British "National Health Institute" and Reaganomics v Thatcherism last night I'd say he has comedy potential. Not as much as Bachmann though, obviously. He's also the official Murdoch candidate now.
 

Sectionfive

bandwagon house
I know plenty of proper batshit has come in from the cold since 9/11 but am I right in thinking those who control the gop have decided to sit this one out long ago. Is it a probably can't beat Obama this time thing or let the dems hang around a while longer and clean up the mess and get kicked out for it thing? I know it's easy to misjudge either way the conservatism/insanity in some parts of America but surely everyone at the top of the gop knows none of these people could be president.
 

Leo

Well-known member
I know plenty of proper batshit has come in from the cold since 9/11 but am I right in thinking those who control the gop have decided to sit this one out long ago. Is it a probably can't beat Obama this time thing or let the dems hang around a while longer and clean up the mess and get kicked out for it thing? I know it's easy to misjudge either way the conservatism/insanity in some parts of America but surely everyone at the top of the gop knows none of these people could be president.
yeah, i think the latter (let the dems win this one). the economy is still going to suck for another few years and unemployment will stay high for a while, so republicans are glad to let the democrats have ownership of the continued slump, banking that things will be turning better as we approach the 2016 election and they can run a strong candidate to win at that point.

the other factor is there's a decent chance republicans will win the majority in the senate this fall. since they already hold the majority in the house of representatives, that will give then two of the three branches of government and pretty solid footing to stop any potentially positive plan from obama and the democrats for the next four years.

i think that's what makes people really disgusted about politicians and the political process here in the states: EVERYTHING is politically motivated. lawmakers no longer spend their time trying to help the country.
 

Ulala

Awkward Woodward
Lowering the tone time (minor derail): I take it all you fine folks know that Santorum is a massive homophobe/gay-basher, don't you? And that because of this, in a highly amusing act of revenge, 'Santorum' is now slang in the gay world for the mix of lubricant and shit that sometimes seeps out post-sex. (As in: "Ugh, there's Santorum all over the bed!")

As you were.
 

trza

Well-known member
Bachmann had by far the best campaign to follow. She went to the best places and had the photo ops and small crows to prove it. Her campaign aides had some colorful pasts and controversies that could be described in detail elsewhere. There are twitpics from journalists of her standing on chairs at Pizza Ranches or Dairy Queen's in front of less than a dozen people. She also made it into one of the best places in all of Decatur County:
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
^^Looks like a photo The Onion would use in some snarky piece about an individual location finally identified as "Real America".

And yes, heard about the new use for 'Santorum', brilliant. :)
 

lanugo

von Verfall erzittern
Taibbi is spot on when he says that the two parties merely represent two versions of the status quo.

In the face of the blatant continuation, or rather expansion, of US military interventionism it is hard to point out any meaningful differences between the Neo-Con doctrine of the Bush era and the foreign and security policy under Obama - so, on top of the catering to powerful financial interests the GOP and the Dems also seem to agree on the necessity of illegal wars abroad.

Conveniently, with the concoction of such farcical concepts as "R2P" the Obama administration has turned the US war agenda into a righteous cause that liberals and progressives can be unabashedly enthusiastic about as well.

Not to mention the increasingly draconian restrictions of civil liberties and the ongoing dismantling of the constitution, as exemplified by last year's unlawful drone killings of US citizens and the recent signing of the National Authorization Defense Bill.

Anyone voting for either a Republican candidate (with the honourable exception of Ron Paul) or Obama must be completely delusional.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Of course the two parties are two sides of the status quo but if I were a gay American and I rose above the "delusion" of voting for Obama I think I would kinda kick myself if Santorum or Perry became president.
Also, while Ron Paul is the only anti-intervention candidate, I'm not certain that anyone voting for the others is delusional (for that reason at least) - I suspect that a lot of them actually really like US intervention. When things aren't going well flexing a few muscles is probably a good way to feel good about how powerful America is again. And lots of people probably don't give a fuck about how interventionist (interventional?) their candidate will be as long as he bans abortion or whatever.
 
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