EDM

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Has anyone seen Spring Breakers? On the whole I think its a complete mess (fittingly, to a degree) but the sequences featuring Scrillex music and super-slo mo HD images of teenagers doing bong-hits and lines and getting their bits out are weirdly effective, and don't seem entirely satirical. There's a corollary between these super-clear but dream-like images and the super-clear yet dreamy sounds Scrillex uses. It brings to light the surrealism of EDM/brostep which is easy to ignore when all you hear is boneheaded conventionality.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
IDGAF this tune (the instrumental version in Spring Breakers which I can't find on youtube) is a banger


I suppose its ''soulless'', its textureless, it feels entirely artificial - but then a lot of the hip-hop production that I like at the moment is similarly synthetic.
 

continuum

smugpolice
Has anyone seen Spring Breakers? On the whole I think its a complete mess (fittingly, to a degree) but the sequences featuring Scrillex music and super-slo mo HD images of teenagers doing bong-hits and lines and getting their bits out are weirdly effective, and don't seem entirely satirical. There's a corollary between these super-clear but dream-like images and the super-clear yet dreamy sounds Scrillex uses. It brings to light the surrealism of EDM/brostep which is easy to ignore when all you hear is boneheaded conventionality.

I didn't think much of the music in Spring Breakers but loved the dreamy, neon visuals. You can't beat a load of teenage girls getting their bits out in slow mo while doing drugs either.
 

rubberdingyrapids

Well-known member
the spring breakers OST is really good, even without the (great) visuals. im not even a skrillex fan but those tracks made me wonder if ive been avoiding his music without good reason. the cliff mansell score is worth checking out too.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy

NSFW example here. I don't know that it has the same effect out of context. Looking at this sequence it seems clear to me that Korine isn't glorifying spring breakers/EDM bros, he's ridiculing them or recoiling from them in the same way Scorcese does in Wolf of Wall Street when he films the stock brokers bellowing like apes in super slow mo.

I guess you could say that EDM distils both the dreaminess and lasciviousness of teenagers, or of a particular type of teenager. The breakdowns seem childish, neon, like something from a Manga cartoon or Disney film, the drops are like aggressive gurns or pelvic thrusts.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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i think ridicule is too strong a word. i think he is poking fun at them in a way, or aware of the ridiculousness (which isnt that surprising, as korine has always been a bit open to charges of condescension), but hes also kind of in love with them/that world at the same time. wolf of wall street is a great comparison.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Perhaps you're right, though I thought the kids he previously had sympathised with seemed outsiders, culturally speaking, rather than the jock types depicted in spring breakers. I didn't really know what to make of Spring Breakers, aside from admiring the neon-saturated visuals, but I generally got the feeling that he was satirising (albeit sympathetically) the search for spirituality in a soulless hedonist phantasmagoria.

This again brings to mind Wolf of Wall Street -which depicted hedonism so seductively that it doubtlessly left a lot of its audience yearning to take part in it all rather than seek to destroy it. Spring Breakers didn't make me want to go to EDM parties but it certainly makes it all seem somehow bewitching and exciting, which of course it IS for those who participate in it.

After all, despite the social values attached to the birth of rave/acid house (rebellion against the state and so on), for many people the real attraction of that world must have been sensationalist - the drugs, the kinetic light shows, the sheer spectacle of a field full of thousands of ravers etc. I can see why Reynolds draws those comparisons between Ardkore and EDM - both are music as psychedelic thrill ride, utterly disdained by fans of ''deeper'' genres, derided as tacky, melting pots for different styles.
 

continuum

smugpolice
I can see why Reynolds draws those comparisons between Ardkore and EDM - both are music as psychedelic thrill ride, utterly disdained by fans of ''deeper'' genres, derided as tacky, melting pots for different styles.

I don't agree with the idea that the people who don't like EDM are the same as those who didn't like Ardkore. EDM is shit music. Ardkore isn't. It's not a case of 'getting old' or anything. The people making these judgements are old themselves.
 

firefinga

Well-known member
I don't agree with the idea that the people who don't like EDM are the same as those who didn't like Ardkore. EDM is shit music. Ardkore isn't. It's not a case of 'getting old' or anything. The people making these judgements are old themselves.

That's pretty much what I was thinking when reading that post. I mean, with UK-Hardcore ca. 91/92 you had a scene where people were competing with one another trying to come out with crazier tracks etc., yet still there was this sense of unity.

There is no such scene in EDM. Plus, as I wrote earlier, many EDM "artists" seem to be rather old, way into their 40s (Tiesto, Guetta).

Plus, UK-Hardcore was musically way more innovative. Whereas in EDM, where is the innovative aspects? The fact they use digital only equipment? That they drop the low frequencies in favor of mid-frequencies? Many of the EDM-tracks are in fact pop songs with a decades old formula (songs, chorus verse)

The only definitley "innovative" thing regarding EDM is in fact they made electronic music appeal to stadium big audiences.
 

droid

Well-known member
And even that had already been done to death.

Its funny that EDM not only picked up the European pop-dance sound from the late 90's as a starting point, but also the ethos - the post rave corporate ultra-commercialised business model. Other than people dancing and taking drugs - everything about the scene is about as anti-rave as you can get in terms of ethos and process. Instead of smaller venues, crowds with their backs to the DJ (or at least not all facing him), local talent, DIY, vibrant underground scenes etc. you have pretty much the exact opposite.
 

firefinga

Well-known member
What's up with all the logos?

Another funny thing is, they all need to have "logos" (skrillex, avicii, guetta, tiesto, deadmau5) which points further in the direction this edm thing is basically about branding, advertising and marketing than anything else really.

When I was a teenager (1990s) there were already "superstar" DJs of course, but the Westbams and Sven Väths somehow could do without a logo still.

I guess, times are changing.
 

Leo

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The people who go to big outdoor EDM events in the States or the Las Vegas shows are a million miles away from the traditional/underground club culture in NY or Chicago (or London, I'm guessing). They are the equivalent of traditional rock music fans at a concert with all the corporate implications that implies, not heads in a dance scene. And as Seinfeld would say, "not that there's anything wrong with that", but it's just an entirely different thing.
 

mrfaucet

The Ideas Train
I don't agree with the idea that the people who don't like EDM are the same as those who didn't like Ardkore. EDM is shit music. Ardkore isn't. It's not a case of 'getting old' or anything. The people making these judgements are old themselves.

It's like the arguments comparing wobbly dubstep* (a certain brand of it at least) to hardcore. Maybe it makes some kind of sense on paper, but the idea falls apart once you actually listen to the stuff.

*Some overlap with EDM, obviously.
 

whytea

Well-known member
Was wondering where people think artists like Tchami and Oliver Heldens figure in this discussion, they make a mid-range heavy, over-produced, style of house (I have some youngsters refer to them as 'future house' producers) which is reminiscent of these 'EDM' tracks (the presence of 4/4 claps before drops is one similarity) and they both release on 'Spinnin Deep' a (supposedly deep) off-shoot of electro/edm label Spinnin Records.

Tchami - Promesses is brilliant and gets played in many of the sets of London Deep/Tech house DJ's

I see many paralells between the movement of Deep House to this sound, with what went wrong with dubstep i.e. the substitution of raw sounds to overly polished production, shift from lower bass frequencies to midrange sounds and a focus on 'filthy' drops

thoughts?

Tchami - Promesses

https://soundcloud.com/iamtchami/tchami-promesses-feat-kaleem

Oliver Heldens - Gecko

https://soundcloud.com/oliverheldens/gecko-out-now

Tchami remix of Martin Garrix

https://soundcloud.com/iamtchami/wizard-tchami-remix-out-march
 

dert

Well-known member
Was wondering where people think artists like Tchami and Oliver Heldens figure in this discussion, they make a mid-range heavy, over-produced, style of house (I have some youngsters refer to them as 'future house' producers) which is reminiscent of these 'EDM' tracks (the presence of 4/4 claps before drops is one similarity) and they both release on 'Spinnin Deep' a (supposedly deep) off-shoot of electro/edm label Spinnin Records.

Tchami - Promesses is brilliant and gets played in many of the sets of London Deep/Tech house DJ's

I see many paralells between the movement of Deep House to this sound, with what went wrong with dubstep i.e. the substitution of raw sounds to overly polished production, shift from lower bass frequencies to midrange sounds and a focus on 'filthy' drops

thoughts?

Tchami - Promesses

https://soundcloud.com/iamtchami/tchami-promesses-feat-kaleem

Oliver Heldens - Gecko

https://soundcloud.com/oliverheldens/gecko-out-now

Tchami remix of Martin Garrix

https://soundcloud.com/iamtchami/wizard-tchami-remix-out-march

sure, i'd play promesses in a laptop set, i don't think i'd go near the others. maybe if you asked me in a week but there's only so many "drops" i can hear in a set amount of time, these days
 
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