Tory implosion

IdleRich

IdleRich
It feels like the Major days again. I'm enjoying watching it. Glad Cameron is extremely relaxed anyway.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
It feels like the Major days again. I'm enjoying watching it. Glad Cameron is extremely relaxed anyway.

It's way worse than Major. It looked worse than it was under him cos it only needed a handful of dissidents to deny him his majority. Now on gay marriage and the QS resolution you've got the overwhelming majority of the non-payroll vote going against Cameron. It's catastrophic for him.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Most enjoyable to watch. I liked this in particular:

'According to the Spectator, which specialises in navigating this crazy maze, there are "eight key Eurosceptic factions" in the Tory party.'
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I hope you're right. If only there was some kind of credible opposition to take advantage though.

... and also I really wish it had happened before they got their bill to gut the NHS through. That's the real tradegy to me. Am also wondering about thier "reforms"/attacks on education and teachers. Would be nice to see the wheels come off on some of this stuff but it seems unlikely.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I keep hearing awful things about how this NHS bill will be basically irreversible. How can that be? How can any government create a law that a future government cannot, even in principle, revoke or amend?

Or is the idea that, as with the trains, any future renationalization will simply be so prohibitively expensive that in practice no government would be able to afford it?
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
I keep hearing awful things about how this NHS bill will be basically irreversible. How can that be? How can any government create a law that a future government cannot, even in principle, revoke or amend?

Or is the idea that, as with the trains, any future renationalization will simply be so prohibitively expensive that in practice no government would be able to afford it?

or more like that the tangle of vested interests and long-term contracts will make it impossible?
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
Why is the Tory party so mental about Europe though? Aside from the Little Englanderism, obv, and it being a socialist conspiracy to steal our freedumbz with working-time directives and the like.

I mean, obviously it's important, but they're 24ct crackers.

Is it cos the party has never forgiven the Europhiles for bringing down Thatcher?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
or more like that the tangle of vested interests and long-term contracts will make it impossible?

Both the above I reckon. It's a bit like re-greening a wasteland. Once the damage has been done, it's very hard to bring it back. Osbourne was making negative noises about PFI early on in his tenure but has long since ceased to do so. I guess this is because it's now part of the mechanics of "how things are done" and unpicking the holes would force him to put some uncomfortable debts back on the slate.

I share the puzzlement about Tories & Europe. I don't understand it beyond xenophobia and "last vestige of Empire" fantasies. Can anyone explain?
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
or more like that the tangle of vested interests and long-term contracts will make it impossible?

Well what I meant was, suppose some future Labour government finally expunges the last traces of Blairism from the party, convinces the public that well-funded public services are in its interest and has the reincarnation of Nye Bevan as health minister: would it then nonetheless be impossible to reverse the changes going through at the moment?
 
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Patrick Swayze

I'm trying to shut up
http://www.bigissue.com/mix/news/2385/norman-tebbit-maybe-id-be-allowed-marry-my-son

“When we have a queen who is a lesbian and she marries another lady and then decides she would like to have a child and someone donates sperm and she gives birth to a child, is that child heir to the throne?’

“It’s like one of my colleagues said: we’ve got to make these same sex marriages available to all.

“It would lift my worries about inheritance tax because maybe I’d be allowed to marry my son. Why not? Why shouldn’t a mother marry her daughter? Why shouldn’t two elderly sisters living together marry each other?”

properly mental
 

Patrick Swayze

I'm trying to shut up
It's almost entertaining seeing all these politicians on the right writhing around searching for increasingly bizarre arguments against gay marriage, when really they just don't like gay people.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
Eg Roger Gale. As someone on twitter pointed out - "Sir Roger Gale MP: '98% against equal marriage' Is it the sanctity of his first, or his second, marriage that he's seeking to defend?"
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I think it's fairly obvious that people really know they've lost the argument when they're coming out with stuff that nonsensical. It just smacks of desperation.

 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Lord Tebbit said:
Lord Tebbit also launched a verbal assault against Cameron’s ministerial team, claiming the disunity that continues to split the Tory party shows that ministers have “fucked things up”.

He said: “Most of them haven’t even worked in a bank! They went straight into politics. The consequences are that they don’t perceive much of what’s going on in the rest of the world. They fucked things up."

Heaven forfend! :rolleyes:
 

woops

is not like other people
What's to stop me walking into a bank and starting to manage it ?!
Maybe I'll marry a few male relatives on the way !!
And put their face on the £5 note !! !! !!

Yeah, that kind of stuff writes itself really.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
What's to stop me walking into a bank and starting to manage it ?!
Maybe I'll marry a few male relatives on the way !!
And put their face on the £5 note !! !! !!

Yeah, that kind of stuff writes itself really.

 
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