Nationalism, immigration and racism in the EU

vimothy

yurp
Of course. People already have the right to offend Christians and have made such use of it as to make it more or less meaningless.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
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It would be interesting to look not just at the number of claimants but also the total amount of benefits they were receiving, given that the benefits available to childless adults in the UK are actually remarkably stingy compared to most developed countries. (At least as a fraction of median earnings, not sure how it ranks in absolute terms.)
 

vimothy

yurp
Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU (Guardian)

Twice as many EU immigrants claiming unemployment benefits in UK than vice versa, new research shows (Telegraph)
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Good point. The Dole here is €160 a week I think. Plus child benefit, rent allowance and various other things. Id say we're paying at least twice as much on our UK scroungers than the UK is paying for its Polish ones.

Strange that during the various debates about immigration here w/all the usual bullshit, UK citizens (consistently our highest cohort of immigrants) were completely ignored.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
Strange that during the various debates about immigration here w/all the usual bullshit, UK citizens (consistently our highest cohort of immigrants) were completely ignored.

That's because Brits living outside Britain are not immigrants, but expatriates.

Also, bloody hell, oh to be unemployed in Ireland! For under-25s in the UK you get less than half that, and it's not much more for over-25s.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU (Guardian)

Twice as many EU immigrants claiming unemployment benefits in UK than vice versa, new research shows (Telegraph)

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
 

droid

Beast of Burden
That's because Brits living outside Britain are not immigrants, but expatriates.

Also, bloody hell, oh to be unemployed in Ireland! For under-25s in the UK you get less than half that, and it's not much more for over-25s.

Yeah, probably OK, for the young, but remember, no NHS, €50-€60 for a doctors visit, one of the highest costs of living in Europe, no rent controls, almost no social housing, and increasing tory-isation of benefits. Fucked if you're marginalised, chronically ill, disabled...

Obv better than the UK, but TBH, we'd be better off with a proper social safety net and lower dole.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
Interesting piece. I didn't know that about the origin of the phrase "Little Englander", although I guess we only have the author's word for it.

He touches on something that's bugged me for a while, which is that the default position among leftists in this country is that the only reason anyone could have for even wanting to talk about immigration, let alone anything as crazy as suggesting it might be better for a lot of the people living here already (whatever their ethnicity) if we had a little bit less of it, is that they're a terrible ignorant racist who should be mocked or ignored - which is exactly the attitude that couldn't possibly be more conducive to the interests of big business and the neoliberal status quo.
 

Patrick Swayze

I'm trying to shut up
He raises some interesting questions although I thought the piece was pretty light on solutions (beyond very a generalised belief in some sort of localism).

I also couldn't stop thinking "isn't this what Billy Bragg says" all the way through. Not that that would necessarily devalue his arguments, but it probably doesn't help.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
He touches on something that's bugged me for a while, which is that the default position among leftists in this country is that the only reason anyone could have for even wanting to talk about immigration, let alone anything as crazy as suggesting it might be better for a lot of the people living here already (whatever their ethnicity) if we had a little bit less of it, is that they're a terrible ignorant racist who should be mocked or ignored -

True, and it's not helpful. But if you were to map people who talk about endlessly immigration (Ukip, Migration Watch, the tabloids) against terrible ignorant racists, you'd have a near-exact overlap.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
True, and it's not helpful. But if you were to map people who talk about endlessly immigration (Ukip, Migration Watch, the tabloids) against terrible ignorant racists, you'd have a near-exact overlap.

But of course! The Left - along with big business - is uniformly pro-immigration. So anti-immigration discourse becomes the sole prerogative of the hard and hard-ish Right, by default. It's completely symbiotic.
 

trza

Well-known member
Does club culture have a problem with bigotry?

Ten Walls, GFOTY and Boddika have all said hateful things of late – so are they isolated bigots or symptomatic of a wider intolerance?

Then there was Boddika – a major producer working in the porous space around UK bass and techno – who tweeted earlier this month: “If you work in a shop/restaurant or whatever in the UK and you can’t speak English … FUCK OFF!” He later excused it as “sheer frustration”,(there were plenty of DJs who defended him, from Zed Bias to Eats Everything). Grime DJ Elijah noted the irony of the fact that the label Swamp81, which Boddika has worked with, is named after a police operation during the 1981 Brixton riots – suddenly Swamp81’s name, situating itself in Brixton’s Afro-Caribbean bass culture, was cast in an awkward light.

These artists’ comments, and this ongoing inequality, are a reminder that clubs are not yet the utopia that the culture aspires towards.
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/09/does-club-culture-have-a-problem-with-bigotry

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Timbaland ‏@Timbaland Jun 2

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