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crackerjack

Well-known member
So whats going to happen on Thursday?

There'll be a narrow No vote, though perhaps slightly less narrow than people think (54-46 ish).

Then we'll spend the next 10 years hearing representatives of English nationalism bleat on about how we're the true oppressed of the United Kingdom. 'English devolution' (i.e. excluding Scots, NI, perhaps Welsh from certain parliamentary votes) will become An Issue (if not under Cameron then under next Tory leader).

The SNP will have time to actually think about what their plans are before the next one in 20 years' time (which they'll most likely win). They never expected to win this, which is partly why they've been so badly exposed on currency.

Cameron may face an NC vote this year. He'll win (unless the Scottish vote is really narrow (51-49 or less), but he'll be even more damaged than he already is. So will Ed M, though less obviously and people won't talk about it so much – cos everyone knows already, right?

Oh, and people on the left will read this and think twice next time before clambering into bed with nationalists in the name of socking it to the neoliberal man*. Paranoia, conspiracy theories and intimidation of media and opponents ain't no way to birth a social democratic paradise.

*This bit won't happen, but it should.
 
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droid

Beast of Burden
Of course, but he makes the valid point that support of independence in the media was pretty much 0, and of course, much of the English coverage of the referendum has been appalling.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
Of course, but he makes the valid point that support of independence in the media was pretty much 0, and of course, much of the English coverage of the referendum has been appalling.

He picked the easy targets. The assailing of the BBC was a disgrace. But that's Nats for you.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
From what Ive seen, the Beeb have a lot of questions to answer. I mean, its not as if the state broadcaster would act dishonorably to protect the interests of power. Thats never happened has it?
 

trza

Well-known member
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
From what Ive seen, the Beeb have a lot of questions to answer.

From what I've seen the charges have been mostly pathetic (e.g. the John Lewis one), with one half-exception of that RBS thing (which I can't fully comment on cos couldn't make out NR's voice on video, but note a few people making similar point as him at the time). The absurd over-reaction and sneering hostility was an embarrassment, but entirely typical of the way Salmond operates.
 

griftert

Well-known member
There'll be a narrow No vote, though perhaps slightly less narrow than people think (54-46 ish).

Then we'll spend the next 10 years hearing representatives of English nationalism bleat on about how we're the true oppressed of the United Kingdom. 'English devolution' (i.e. excluding Scots, NI, perhaps Welsh from certain parliamentary votes) will become An Issue (if not under Cameron then under next Tory leader).

The SNP will have time to actually think about what their plans are before the next one in 20 years' time (which they'll most likely win). They never expected to win this, which is partly why they've been so badly exposed on currency.

Cameron may face an NC vote this year. He'll win (unless the Scottish vote is really narrow (51-49 or less), but he'll be even more damaged than he already is. So will Ed M, though less obviously and people won't talk about it so much – cos everyone knows already, right?

Oh, and people on the left will read this and think twice next time before clambering into bed with nationalists in the name of socking it to the neoliberal man*. Paranoia, conspiracy theories and intimidation of media and opponents ain't no way to birth a social democratic paradise.

*This bit won't happen, but it should.
Haha. Like tempers wouldn't fray elsewhere. Left-leaning English 'nos' have a remarkably high standard for social democratic movements that don't involve them. People associating this campaign with 'Nationalism' simply don't know what real Nationalism looks like. It certainly wouldn't advocate more broad-ranged immigration. But let's not get facts in the way of misreadings.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
An independent Scotland that wants to accept more immigrants could perhaps take some of the pressure off SE England, assuming immigrants want to live there.
 
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