Leo

Well-known member
hard to know how much of this is just garden-variety BS distraction, and how seriously it should be taken. under any other president, people would take it pretty seriously but with trump, you know people will just shrug it off or ignore it because he says so many outlandish things every day. at what point does, say, Mitch McDonnell and GOP leaders go from "yeah, whatever, I'm getting my agenda passed" to "is the current direction of the country worth me getting my agenda passed?" to "we have to stop this guy".
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
Serious question, to Leo or anyone else: how seriously do most Republicans take this identification of Antifa, Black Bloc and the more militant end of BLM with (guffaw) Joe fucking Biden and (chortle) the mainstream Democratic party? I mean clearly it's completely ridiculous, but they really believe it or is just a fun way to trigger libtards and fire up The Base?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yesterday there was a specific and credible accusation of sexual assault made against POTUS - in the world in which I grew up that would have dominated the news for months, now it's pushed off the top in five minutes.
Wag the Dog was on telly the other day - seemed so quaint with people actually caring about the pres groping women etc
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Serious question, to Leo or anyone else: how seriously do most Republicans take this identification of Antifa, Black Bloc and the more militant end of BLM with (guffaw) Joe fucking Biden and (chortle) the mainstream Democratic party? I mean clearly it's completely ridiculous, but they really believe it or is just a fun way to trigger libtards and fire up The Base?
Well a point I often lose track of is abortion. Thats enough of a conviction for some people to warrant tolerating pretty much anything else, no?
 

Leo

Well-known member
Serious question, to Leo or anyone else: how seriously do most Republicans take this identification of Antifa, Black Bloc and the more militant end of BLM with (guffaw) Joe fucking Biden and (chortle) the mainstream Democratic party? I mean clearly it's completely ridiculous, but they really believe it or is just a fun way to trigger libtards and fire up The Base?
impossible to say, really. just speculation but my gut says most engaged, informed republicans don't believe it...I mean, biden has not displayed any tendencies in that direction in his 4+ decades of government services and kamala Harris was a top prosecutor/state attorneys general, so they are far from that world. and there's the whole lot of republicans who just keep their heads down and try to get what they can while the getting is good.

on the other hand, a certain number of voters have drunk the MAGA Kool-aid and believe anything.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
Well a point I often lose track of is abortion. Thats enough of a conviction for some people to warrant tolerating pretty much anything else, no?
I guess it's all of a piece with support from Trump from Evangelicals. When you think about the sort of man Trump is, and how he pretty much couldn't embody any of the traditional Christian virtues any less well than he actually does, what do they get out of supporting him? I mean, he's spoken at anti-abortion rallies, but how many abortions has he been the cause of, and paid for?
 

Leo

Well-known member
trump was pro-life his entire life until he ran in the GOP primary.

there is no logical way to try and figure this stuff out. a not-insignificant number of people literally believe trump was chosen by God to save us. hard to reason with people of that mindset.
 

Leo

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it's such a stupid idea (does anyone on earth think trump opens his own mail?) that I wouldn't put it past them.
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
As Kohler recalls the resentments of his father’s generation — “They were America, damn it, and Americans should come first” — he offers a word of advice to those who have been abandoned by history: “Don’t invest in a future you will never see, a future which will despise you anyway, a future which will find you useless. Pay for your own burial plot. Get the golf clubs out. Die with a tan your daughter’s thighs would envy.” This sense of betrayal, which can shade into vengefulness, leads to a radical strain of politics that Gass later described in an interview: “Fascism is a tyranny which enshrines the values of the lower middle class, even though the lower middle class doesn’t get to rule. It just gets to feel satisfied that the world is well-run. It likes symbols of authority and it likes to dress up. It likes patriotic parades.”

In the novel’s most prophetic passages, Kohler fantasizes about forming a movement called the “Party of the Disappointed People.” He draws pictures of its insignia and merchandise (including special caps) and explains: “What the other parties avoid, we shall embrace. We shall be the ones with the handshakes like the Shriners, the symbols, the slogans as if we were selling something, the shirts, the salutes and the flags.” By definition, its constituents feel disenfranchised by life, so they need powerful collaborators: “If we were to recover a bit of pride, we might be able to make ourselves into harassing gangs. So we shall make our pitch to the huddled elites, the ins who are on the outs.”

The party will need to be circumspect about its intentions — Kohler proposes a secret hand signal that will allow its members to recognize one another — until a public figure arises to amplify its anger: “What a pool of energy awaits the right voice.” Kohler’s ideal tyrant is modeled on Hitler, but he also looks ahead to the demagogue of the future. “And now the hero comes — the trumpet of his people. And his voice is enlarged like a movie’s lion. He roars, he screams so well for everyone, his tantrums tame a people. He is the Son of God, if God is Resentment. And God is Resentment — a pharaoh for the disappointed people.” Kohler anticipates the role of the media — “TV faces and their blatant lies are now our leaders” — and contemplates the shape of such a man’s life: “Our favorite modern bad guys became villains by serving as heroes first — to millions. It is now a necessary apprenticeship.”
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
As for Hitler, Kohler calls him “a petty little twerp” whose one undeniable gift was to openly state what other politicians left to implication: “Yet Hitler — the dissembler, the liar, the hypocrite, the mountebank, the deluder, the con man, the sophist, the manipulator, the dreamer, the stage manager and the ultimate ham — he was probably history’s single most sincere man.” Kohler speculates at length about the motivations of Hitler’s opportunistic supporters, “all of those who weren’t twerps who willed what Hitler wished,” and he finally arrives at a shattering conclusion: “I would have followed him just to get even.”
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Well he's been claiming that most of his companies make huge losses for years... probably dodgy/clever accounting but it doesn't look good does it
 

Leo

Well-known member
drain the swamp, right?

“Trump’s private records show that his company once paid $747,622 in fees to an unnamed consultant for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver, British Columbia. Ivanka Trump’s public disclosure forms – which she filed when joining the White House staff in 2017 – show that she had received an identical amount through a consulting company she co-owned.”
 

Leo

Well-known member
write $747k off on yr taxes, pay that exact amount to your daughter for her "consulting services". pretty sweet.
 
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