Choon of the Day

[padraig (u.s.)]

EBM is a great sound if you nail it - dark, pulsing (or, pulsating), sexual dance music

but it's a hard mark to hit and if you miss yeah you're in serious danger of that carry on up the sex dungeon absurdity

I will say imo modern pastiche EBM can be pretty good - Schwefelgelb is a good example - but modern minimal wave pastiche always falls flat

possibly cos modern EBM is usually incorporating new sounds - there is/was that whole strand of EBM/techno crossover

whereas the minimal wave business tends to be more of an exact recreation, like garage rock revivals or whatever

 

[IdleRich]

EBM, for comparison

Think Strumpff played on or produced this epic beast

 

[IdleRich]

Ruth - Mots and Polaroid are killers yep.

 

[IdleRich]

Bang Bang Lover is one of my most caned records for sure.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Think Strumpff played on or produced this epic beast

he did indeed, I almost posted that exact track. great record.

kind of an EBM/NDW equivalent of early Italodisco

 

[Leo]

I will say imo modern pastiche EBM can be pretty good - Schwefelgelb is a good example - but modern minimal wave pastiche always falls flat

possibly cos modern EBM is usually incorporating new sounds - there is/was that whole strand of EBM/techno crossover

whereas the minimal wave business tends to be more of an exact recreation, like garage rock revivals or whatever

good point. I like some of the ancient methods stuff, on the techno/industrial/EBN borderline. haven't explored much regis, silent servant, etc.

 

[Leo]

we should start a thread for this stuff...

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Stumpff was a genius synth/drum programmer, way more varied and complex than yr typical early 80s deal

granted the charm of much minimal synth music is just that the diy lo-fi minimalism

but he was really ahead of his time

 

[IdleRich]

EBM is a great sound if you nail it - dark, pulsing (or, pulsating), sexual dance music

but it's a hard mark to hit and if you miss yeah you're in serious danger of that carry on up the sex dungeon absurdity

I will say imo modern pastiche EBM can be pretty good - Schwefelgelb is a good example - but modern minimal wave pastiche always falls flat

possibly cos modern EBM is usually incorporating new sounds - there is/was that whole strand of EBM/techno crossover

whereas the minimal wave business tends to be more of an exact recreation, like garage rock revivals or whatever

I agree here - also, a lot of the original minimal wave stuff isn't that good. A lot of it is very thin I find... can be charming I suppose but often it falls the wrong side of that line for me.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

again, Stumpff reminds me of the harder, proto-house end of early Italo

i.e. Tony Carrasco (Klein + M.B.O. etc)

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I like some of the ancient methods stuff, on the techno/industrial/EBN borderline

yeah Ancient Methods is a big name. some of the L.I.E.S. stuff heads that way, i.e. Tzusing.

I don't know that scene intimately or anything, just whatever I happen to run across

this dude (well it's Lee Douglas actually) has a wild EBM-acid thing going on

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

this is one of the hardest/relentless wildest tracks I think I've heard in the last 10 years

100% off yr face totally out yr skull ego death in a dark warehouse vibes

if it was idk 50 (100?) bpm faster it would be third's ideal punishing acid robot music (#surrendertosodomyoliver)

 

[IdleRich]

Stumpff reminds me of the harder, proto-house end of early Italo

i.e. Tony Carrasco (Klein + M.B.O. etc)

Yeah his (Stumpff's) stuff is kinda hard from what I've heard - and as for An-I, I've got that Kino twelve but if I played it in Lisbon it would scare people.

Someone stretched out Tanzmusik by Absolute Body Control which needed doing cos the original is only about one minute long

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

also, a lot of the original minimal wave stuff isn't that good

well yeah it really is like garage rock

true obsessives valorizing an extremely specific sound produced at a very specific time by very specific technology

and because they're obsessives they wind up hyping a lot of very average or uninteresting records

the killer to dross rate is relatively low compared to something like ca. 85-88 Chicago house

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

whereas the original true EBM canon is quite small

DAF, Stumpff, Liaisons Dangereuses, Keine Ahnung, Absolute Body Control, Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Hard Corps, is really it

plus the odd one-off and maybe some fellow travelers like Crash Course In Science, early Ministry (ca "Same Old Madness") etc

so there's probably more room there to do your own thing

 

[IdleRich]

Some more modern stuff (this our friend in fact) that might interest


Which is a sort of homage to or rip-off of this old opera tune I think

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

it obviously shades into New Beat, and proto-New Beat like Nux - Hiroshima, A Split Second - Flesh, etc

this is Krishna from Liasons Dangereuses doing ca. 88 house-influenced EBM/New Beat, killer

 

[IdleRich]

whereas the original true EBM canon is quite small

DAF, Stumpff, Liaisons Dangereuses, Keine Ahnung, Absolute Body Control, Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Hard Corps, is really it

plus the odd one-off and maybe some fellow travelers like Crash Course In Science, early Ministry (ca "Same Old Madness") etc

so there's probably more room there to do your own thing

Crash Course in Science are great. Surely a few more to add to that canon although I have to admit I'm struggling right now off the top of my head...
Neon Judgement maybe.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Some more modern stuff (this our friend in fact) that might interest

I've heard that, yeah pretty cool

heading more into that proto-rhythmic noise area third was talking about

I like the clatter meets stomp percussion

 

[IdleRich]

He always makes interesting beats... but I wish I could remember the name of the tune it's inspired by - it's from a kinda modernish opera, something about a cat (Il Gatto cos it's Italian) I think, and the song in question has all these washerwomen stamping and shouting to fairly similar effect.