The Empowered Nerd.

[Mr. Tea]

Me thinks he is just wasting too much time on almost deserted internet message boards

There was a woman here, once! Before your time. Some now openly doubt whether she ever even existed. But the old folk among us remember her still.

 

[sadmanbarty]

his line of work means any woman he was involved with would be exposed to unconscionable degrees of danger and yet as a lifelong romantic he cannot abide cheap plastic one night stands with loose women.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Not convinced by this at all. A huge part of nerdish internetty misogyny revolves around sex, and the lack of availability thereof. Men who are neither attractive nor confident nor wealthy are obviously disadvantaged with respect to men who are at least one of those things, but in basic terms of the ability to get laid they're also worse off than the great majority of women. And that's without even going into the various kinds of social dysfunction and physical and mental illnesses that are more prevalent (in some cases by a massive margin) among men than among women.

A nerd speaks... https://www.google.es/amp/s/dailydot.relaymedia.com/amp/via/nerds-geeks-privilege-feminism/

 

[Mr. Tea]

A nerd speaks... https://www.google.es/amp/s/dailydot.relaymedia.com/amp/via/nerds-geeks-privilege-feminism/

So basically, nerds get fairly maligned for constantly insisting that they're unfairly maligned, lol.

As a subculture it does seem to involve a good deal of self-pity, which ends up being self-reinforcing because it's such an unattractive personality trait and is likely to provoke hostility or ridicule from outsiders. It has that in common with emo, I suppose.

Edit: I see he later appeals to the facile "video game difficulty settings" analogy, which is just so stupid I can't see how anyone can take it remotely seriously.

 

[vimothy]

The term "privilege" mostly seems to be used as a tool of rhetorical one-up-manship between groups of privileged people.

 

[Corpsey]

If you don't mind me asking, what's stopping you?

Years of accumulated shyness and neurosis, ultimately stemming from a paralysing fear of rejection... Probably covers it.

Thing is, I can remember being a teenager and basically not talking to any girls for most of the time, even though all my friends were friends or more with girls, and at that time forming this defensive mechanism of looking down on girls, thinking 'oh they just like jocks', etc. All the while subconsciously aware that really I was just terrified of them. Heading down a path of darkness.

Luckily, especially in the second year of university, I ended up living with some girls and being great friends with them, which was a real revelation to me, at the age of 20. And now quite a few of my best friends have vaginas. Still automatically scared of them to this day though!

But I definitely can relate to some of these nerds gone postal. I can relate, too, to the PUA thing - I can't deny that I bought 'The Game' about five years ago and even entertained the idea of it 'curing' me or whatever. But I fairly quickly realised it was all utterly lame and sinister (has anyone ever read it? It's the most cringeworthy book I've ever perused), and most importantly wouldn't give you- the Beta reader - the balls you needed to actually talk to women in the first place.

And so now I live peaceably, a masturbating ascetic secluded in my hermitage, pleased to have become more acquainted with the fairer sex, my violent fantasies confined mainly to the daydream of rubbing out Piers Morgan with a Luger.

 

[baboon2004]

...and while we're on the subject of misogyny - the most misogynistic products of popular culture I have ever come across was coming from black rappers. I guess it's "black privilege" to call women Hoe and Bitch unless it's your mother.

What a ridiculous post, particularly the second, regrettable sentence. The first might have some kind of truth value, if you haven't heard of this little-known underground white rapper called Eminem I guess (or like, lots of other white male rappers. Or that cult act The Rolling Stones), or considered that the increase in misogyny in hip hop coincided with a massive increase in its white suburban audience (which is a point bearing discussion), but the second sentence is just ugly in its stupidity.

Where to even start? Do you have a filter that prevents you hearing what non-black men say to women, and seeing what they do to women? "I know what a thread about misogyny needs. Some crude racism!" - is that your thought process?

Just depressing.

 

[Mr. Tea]

The first might have some kind of truth value, if you haven't heard of this little-known underground white rapper called Eminem I guess (or like, lots of other white male rappers. Or that cult act The Rolling Stones)

Not sure the Stones' lyrics really bear comparison to, say, Geto Boys.

 

[firefinga]

What a ridiculous post, particularly the second, regrettable sentence. The first might have some kind of truth value, if you haven't heard of this little-known underground white rapper called Eminem I guess (or like, lots of other white male rappers. Or that cult act The Rolling Stones), but the second is just ugly in its stupidity.

Where to even start? Do you have a filter that prevents you hearing what non-black men say to women, and seeing what they do to women? "I know what a thread about misogyny needs. Some crude racism!" - is that your thought process?

Where's the racism? I was referring to the bitch n hoe fest of SOME black rappers. That statement is true for that group only, and it's very well damn true. It actally shows the double standard a lot of the "progessives" have on these issues, meaning they keep their mouths shut in specific cases, when they are supposed to be "critical".

 

[firefinga]

or considered that the increase in misogyny in hip hop coincided with a massive increase in its white suburban audience (which is a point bearing discussion),

Yeah, those white suburban kids are all mysoginistic pricks, so why not take advantage of their racial predisposition and feed them some hyper-masculinity black style bitch n hoe fest. We don't really mean it, but we like to take whiteys money.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Years of accumulated shyness and neurosis, ultimately stemming from a paralysing fear of rejection... Probably covers it

If fear of rejection is the decisive factor, the first step would be to work outside the paradigm of acceptance and rejection. How about this weekend you talk to at least one lady stranger, but with a categorical rule that you will not ask for a number, a date or anything else with which she can reject you (you could even light-heartedly tell her you're not hitting on her or say you have a girlfriend). You don't have to make her laugh, make her like you, or keep the conversation going.

For you I'd recommend a book/music/dvd shop and use whatever she's perusing as the starting point of the conversation:

The conversation has to be under 3 mins sharp and you have to disagree with her at least once.

Try and talk about your aspirations and hers (especially if career comes up, emphasise what you're working towards in the future rather than what you do now).

Don't express any pessimism or neuroses to her at all.

Again, there is no rejection, you're literally making small talk with a stranger.

 

[sadmanbarty]

"I know what a thread about misogyny needs. Some crude racism!"

Can I get that on a t-shirt?

 

[baboon2004]

Not sure the Stones' lyrics really bear comparison to, say, Geto Boys.

They're writing in the 60s, Geto Boys in the early 90s, which I think explains the difference in form - intent is much the same. But Brown Sugar, Under My Thumb etc are grimly misogynist, and obvs racist too in the case of the first.

 

[baboon2004]

Where's the racism? I was referring to the bitch n hoe fest of SOME black rappers. That statement is true for that group only, and it's very well damn true. It actally shows the double standard a lot of the "progessives" have on these issues, meaning they keep their mouths shut in specific cases, when they are supposed to be "critical".

1/ I never said that you said all black rappers were misogynistic - not my point at all. We both agree that you never said that.

2/ You said "the most misogynistic products of popular culture I have ever come across was coming from black rappers" - the racism comes in highlighting the misogyny of black rappers, as though white rappers or any other rappers aren't just as misogynist.
Bizarrely, that's fundamentally the same point as Lily Allen was making to Tommy Robinson earlier this week. The double standards are yours, not those of the 'progressives' - the crime only exists where the skin is black.
Also, watch any number of films (Scorsese has a few, tho I'm sure there're worse offenders I can't think of now) if you want to see white misogyny in popular culture. But I forgot, white men can have personas and characters (just how Eminem was allowed off the hook by some), and black men aren't allowed that luxury.

3/ "I guess it's 'black privilege' to call women Hoe and Bitch unless it's your mother."
Moving on from talking about rappers, and perpetuating general stereotypes about the supposed particular misogyny of black men, simultaneously seeming to be mocking the use of phrases like 'white privilege' by 'progressives' (but that's speculative on my part).
Without even mentioning that in the cases where black men DO use misogynist language against women, it's likely (due to our society and segregation) to be black women who bear the brunt. But hey, it only needs to be mentioned where perpetrators are black, not where victims are black, doesn't it?
And, if you've never heard white men use horrific language against women, then I suggest getting out more (or maybe not).

There are other points to be made, but life is short.

 

[firefinga]

and black men aren't allowed that luxury.

They are CONSTANTLY allowed that luxury by "progressives". That's my point and it's a fact. And isn't Eminem a cheap copy anyways?

And that's the thing that bothers me.

 

[firefinga]

Can I get that on a t-shirt?

would be fitting, after all this whole thread is about proto-racist stereotyping, namley of the "white" nerds.

 

[baboon2004]

Yeah, those white suburban kids are all mysoginistic pricks, so why not take advantage of their racial predisposition and feed them some hyper-masculinity black style bitch n hoe fest. We don't really mean it, but we like to take whiteys money.

OH MY GOD. The point is that misogyny as a trait/system has no correlation with race. Some white men are misogynist, some black men are misogynist, and virtually all men make use of gender inequality an awful lot.

"We don't really mean it (it's all just a story)" - as above, see any number of white film directors (not to mention some white rappers).

"feed them some hyper-masculinity black style bitch n hoe fest" is pretty correct - that's how blackness is marketed to white kids in general. Black kids too. Point is that if white people can project all their aggression and violence into the spectre of the bestial black male, then they can pretend that they don't have any aggression and don't (as a group) commit ongoing violence on a grander scale than any other group in history.
Oldest story in the world, happens of course with the way the middle class conceives of the working class too.

Projection - one of the most useful concepts in understanding the world...ever! I might have misremembered, but didn't you say you lived in Austria? Your countryman invented it.

 

[baboon2004]

They are CONSTANTLY allowed that luxury by "progressives". That's my point and it's a fact. And isn't Eminem a cheap copy anyways?

And that's the thing that bothers me.

No use saying something that isn't true, is a fact. You won't get anywhere that way. Again, the double standards are entirely yours.

truly remarkable - you seem to be saying that Eminem is only misogynist because he learned it from black rappers? Is that actually what you're saying?

Rhetorical question. I'm done here...

 

[baboon2004]

Can I get that on a t-shirt?

Yes!

 

[firefinga]

truly remarkable - you seem to be saying that Eminem is only misogynist because he learned it from black rappers? Is that actually what you're saying?

Rhetorical question. I'm done here...

I am just saying that he was critisized of being a copy of black rappers. Nothing more. You are adding "supposed" things here