luka

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internet porn, droid was i saying this to you perhaps? maybe one of your mates, im convinced that the reemergence of the word 'cuckold' is entirely a product of internet porn. from my point of view most porn essentially entails watching the object of desire fucked by another person. that you are ennacting a virtual cuckolding of yourself. i also think a lot of the alt right rebranded racism can be linked (not entirely, but as contributory factor) to 10inch black cocks on the internet!

i mean this actually. i think it's had huge and deep rooted psychological effects. and tellingly the most visible signs of anxiety come from the altright #nofap
 

luka

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and it is another layer folded into your relationship with the screen. it comforts you. it arouses you. it disgusts you. it entertains you. it makes you feel guilty and wracked with self-loathing. it rewards you. it flatters you. it cons you. it cheats you. it tempts you.
there's just such a huge and roiling emotional investment there. life is in that interface.
 

luka

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and again as i say, the screen is, to be so obvious its redundant, different to the world. you lose the tactile dimension. it's virtual. it's abstracted. it's a representation. it's within a frame.

so i dont care who likes or doesnt like the aesthetic qualities, what seems more interesting is to ask how is this new (and it is new) mode of existence expressed and evoked in music?

and how is digitisation and the complete loss of physical referents for sound playing into that? surely there is a synergy there?
 

luka

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even if you think of the production for migos, there's a flattening, you have far less of a sense of different 'instruments' being layered and spaced out than you would get in a 90s rza beat for instance.
it's squished together and all individual sounds paradoxically seem to occupy the same coordinate points.
 

luka

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it even seems worth thinking about something like brightness. the continual backlit screen. the loss of shade and tonal variety. the lack of texture. again this is part of the reason screen designed buildings never seem to leave the screen even after construction. they look like something on a screen still.
and how often digital sound lacks texture (and weight, to a lesser degree). the feel of it as it travels over your skin.
 

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does the screen really disconnect you from the world or is it that the world is becoming more and more inhospitable?
 

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the senseless head banging brutalism of 20th century. architecture. constructive fascism without the fascists.
 

luka

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does the screen really disconnect you from the world or is it that the world is becoming more and more inhospitable?
the screen is an environment as is the world outside. you can only be in one place at one time. you can be in a screen (computer game, internet, book, cave painting, television etc) or you can be in a city, or a forest, or a park or whatever.

that's somewhat simplified as there is a bleed from one to another etc but the overall point stands i think. it's about immersion etc
 

luka

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and please dont assume i want to talk about conscious evocation of screen-life. again i think that is very boring. i just mean the inevitability of it. that it has to show up just as the blackberry pips show up in the bird shit. it's how history works. everything leaves a trace.

the inputs determine the outputs.
 

thirdform

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is the mass generalisation of prison-like anxiety really that boring to discuss? I guess I'll bow out of this thread then. The dreaminess, it is a narcosis, a limitation of consciousness, not an inevitability. ultimately these are just tools.
 

luka

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like, i guess it's sort of a game. you can think of it as a game. you go
"internet then, what's that do? what does that do to us? what does it feel like to use it? what is the nature of the relationship? what does it change? what does it look like? what effects does it produce? what tricks does it rely on?"

then you go

"what might musical analogues of those things be? how could you evoke those affects and effects and changes and conditions in sound? what might some examples be?"

you could play the same game with supermarkets, or with drugs, or with, as droid gestured towards, the mainstreaming of electricity and the associated devices (radio, television, lights etc etc) at different points in history but i am assuming that our point in history is currently dominated by the internet and by digitisation.
 

luka

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is the mass generalisation of prison-like anxiety really that boring to discuss? I guess I'll bow out of this thread then. The dreaminess, it is a narcosis, a limitation of consciousness, not an inevitability. ultimately these are just tools.
i've already staged the strategic strop and slope off. it cant be done twice in one thread.

it's not boring to discuss and if you can link it to the thread topic, even tangentially, then you should obviously talk about it.
 

thirdform

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like, i guess it's sort of a game. you can think of it as a game. you go
"internet then, what's that do? what does that do to us? what does it feel like to use it? what is the nature of the relationship? what does it change? what does it look like? what effects does it produce? what tricks does it rely on?"

then you go

"what might musical analogues of those things be? how could you evoke those affects and effects and changes and conditions in sound? what might some examples be?"

you could play the same game with supermarkets, or with drugs, or with, as droid gestured towards, the mainstreaming of electricity and the associated devices (radio, television, lights etc etc) at different points in history but i am assuming that our point in history is currently dominated by the internet and by digitisation.
musically you'd need to look to Alva Noto prototypes and tranceform I think. cold emotionless micro reflections. I guess the sort of Migos sound is more like losing ones virginity, amazing sex at first but gets emotionally limiting eventually. whereas with noto it's that gaping void. if anything the internet and the way its structured is a zone of fruitless intensification. all neurons maxed out.
 
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luka

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i want you to do it. that's why i come on here. it feels sterile doing it by myself. its not arousing.

i find a lot of contemporary pop and possibly even that disaffected modern r&b even more so, to be very redolent of online existence. the glazed quality for instance. (and sure, opiates, painkillers etc but i think it dovetails/synergises) the distancing. the de-souling of r&b. the complete change in singing style. the idea of the future as being glamorous and boring at the same time. this hungry, empty feeling. this kind of addicts irritability and restlessness. the hollow feeling the internet is so good at giving you.

(the internet is great when it notices you and speaks back but devestating when it ignores you.)
 

thirdform

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let me you know what you think of that album then. i think its the ultimate digitalised music personally.

After being on the internet for around 13 years every day i don't think i can really remember when the internet really spoke back to me. I'd have to back to the days of MSN messenger tbh.
 
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