thirdform

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in 2018 i want music to serve as anti-weed in its sonics. in that sense i am kind of on a digitalised This Heat tip. music that stones you, but not in the way of being immersed. jagged and presentist.
 

thirdform

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the noise punks had the right idea it's just that they kinda went into the ocean. I want to feel like a jackhammer is being taken to my head.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
stripped the exterior phenomenal world of its libidinal attraction
or shifted it to the screen. literally as in the case of pornography, or qualitatively.

there's an interesting paper of some kind to be written on the body, body horror, biometric recognition (and repression), the libidinal, enclosure (libidinal, liminal), etc

I do think of the Internet etc as a cultural shift as massive as the invention of writing maybe
it is the only possible comparison. film/television is closest but even that's not really close.

a difference is that writing was developed multiply, unevenly and spread over centuries if not millennia. by comparison the Internet has been uniform - in structure, obviously not in use - and nearly instantaneous, even allowing for the past and continuing inequalities to access in countries and worldwide. as always the shift is in the how as much as the what, the implementation as much or more than the invention.

writing is the magic of capturing words (i.e. descriptions of reality) in permanence. the printing press amplifies that magic. photography captures images (i.e. memory i.e. reality). film not only amplifies but transmutes into new myths etc on mass level - framing the borders of reality perception. the Internet reconfigures perception of reality at the individual level. it is the magic of capturing and reproducing the self - the soul in the Greek psyche sense. only the deep uncertainty of transhumanism remains.

"history" literally starts with writing. it doesn't end with the hyperlink but it does maybe transmute into something else.

this also resonates to me with the psychedelic thread of a few months back, where I said

whatever threshold of hyper-reality extinguishes that liminal space, we've crossed it, and absent some heretofore unknown new way of interpreting reality - be that artistic, technological, whatever - I don't see how it's a threshold that can be recrossed. even technological domination (control/alteration) of reality - AR, VR - is a magnification of the real. there is nothing left to imagine.

to paraphrase, welcome to the desert of the hyperreal (and/or the hyperlink).

the prosaic manifestation of that is constant, obsessive self-awareness, and further the constant self-awareness of that self-awareness, or in the words the history of the internet. to know, or be able to know, everything, is to eradicate the unknowable, which the psychedelic requires.

I've listened to much, much woolly psychedelic business of all kinds + good or bad it's inevitably shot through with some kind of wonderment that cannot be artificially recreated. again why I'd distinguish between drug music - which will exist as long as people do drugs, i.e. always - and the psychedelic. think again on the original human psychedelic experience - sacral, the conduit between the mundane + the otherworldly, that is to say the unknowable.
extrapolating beyond music to all creative, libidinal impulses. the ability to dream beyond the confines of a screen. there are less things in earth and heaven Siri, than are transmitted in your networks, and so on.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
the noise punks had the right idea it's just that they kinda went into the ocean.
which noise punks?

these are the original noise punks (via England's own Disorder) and it holds up pretty goddamn (luka cover your ears)
black metal ain't got nothing on it for anti-aesthetic noise teenage racket, nor does most noise for that matter
 

thirdform

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sorry i should have clarified, i mean a lot of the noise kinda punks that are now floating with electronic music.
 

thirdform

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I really like Kuro. Confused give me this really masculine white man vibe which i find a little bit scary tbh. it's a subconscious thing tho i guess/not their fault guv.
 
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padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I like Kuro. Confused give me this really masculine white man vibe which i find a little bit scary tbh.
they're both ca. early 1980s Japanese teenagers. twin pillars of the legendary Kyushu noisecore scene. they might even have shared members. definitely knew each other.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
there are a slew of other 80s Japanese hxc bands of various noise racket levels, but those 2 and Gai are kinda the holy trinity.

tbf Confuse is the closest to actual hardcore, faster/harder, closer to actual strong structures than just shrieking lo-fi racket

Gai went on become Swankys who were arguably even crazier because they dropped the shrieking noise template nominally over poppy 1977 punk (i.e. Sex Pistols cover art)
 

blissblogger

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but going back to internet porn...

wasn't there some kind of study or research to do with how young men - after being exposed to so much online porn depicting impossibly athletic and theatricalized sex - found the real thing to be insufficiently arousing?

if you get wired into a way of thinking of sex that's entirely visual (and i guess also aural) that would result in a hypertrophy of the eye at the expense of all the other sensory aspects that are part of irl sex - touch, smell, taste

you'd be craving sexual experiences that you could somehow levitate above and view voyeuristically, from outside the action, as a spectator

i guess analogue porn was on that trajectory anyway

but online porn in its monstrous availability and the ease of access for young developing libidos - that it would tend to push desire into a scopophiliac direction - craving the image more than the haptic

then there's anime porn - cartoons of fantasy couplings ... even further from the Real, the plausibly achievable in actual life
 

thirdform

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they're both ca. early 1980s Japanese teenagers. twin pillars of the legendary Kyushu noisecore scene. they might even have shared members. definitely knew each other.


yeah i know. what's up with extreme music in Japan these days? the last thing i got was a government Alpha noise anthology from 09.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
wasn't there some kind of study or research to do with how young men - after being exposed to so much online porn depicting impossibly athletic and theatricalized sex - found the real thing to be insufficiently arousing?
more than one, I'm pretty sure. think it's well-documented at this point.

the biggest difference with analogue porn is the functional infinity of access, both in quantity and quality. literally whatever you want exists, and in limitless abundance.

it's another case where expanding the known reduces the imaginable. maybe the template case, sex being the ultimate meeting of physical and desire (a form of dream).
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
yeah i know. what's up with extreme music in Japan these days? the last thing i got was a government Alpha noise anthology from 09.
no idea. not a Japanoise expert (or any noise expert) and my hxc tapped-in-ness stops ca. late 00s.

I imagine people are still making crazy stuff cos that something that Japanese culture seems really good at producing.

going by depth, diversity and quality, Japan had probably* the greatest 80s hxc scene on Earth, which is essentially the highest praise I can give to anyone.

*the only competitor is the U.S., and they're really too different to compare directly
 
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thirdform

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i am visually impaired so i have never watched porn.

all i have ever done is listened to this aussie woman on sonicerotica.com talking about how she wanted this man on a bridge to put his cock between her arse crack. it wasn't very appetising tbh.
 

CrowleyHead

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Who needs porn? You have the bliss of the niche, sensory experience. Seedy, under the counter obscurant CD comps of...s-seven inches... *gulp* from one of the best.... japanese sp-sp-spazzcore bands ever... god...

To put a bow on it, this is in fact a process expanded and expounded by the internet because more and more music consumers are less concerned with upholding a canonical order and instead choose to chase after whatever the highs are, or what we perceive them to be. You can create music that is so grotesquely removed from the contexts of which it came but satisfies that need and then you seek more, cheaper, C-List variants just to chase said dragons. A lot of this music can't simply be gone to experience but it can be accessed.

Even the experiences of live music in the states, you look at EDM festivals and like yes you have your conventional hit maker formula nonsense but there's a lot of ridiculous quaint band/DJ hybrids meant to grant the audience the feel that this is the Real when in reality the musicians are there for a invocation and a totemic ghoul. There's more real music found by dissemination in the internet, the real world gets you saxophonists playing wobbly dubstep. Ghastly stuff.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
There's a subtle gag in the fact that there's 80s japanese hxc fetishism posts
discounting the reasonable possibility that it's a joke, plz delineate how any of that is in any way is fetishism

given my y'know lengthy well-documented advocacy of all things places and persons 80s hardcore

if you wanna see true obsessive Japanese (or Brazilian, Finnish, any other renowned scene) hxc fetishists believe me they exist. a lot of them are Japanese.

if that is indeed a joke within a joke, it's still some ugly shit to lay on a person for a joke.
 

CrowleyHead

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It's a joke absolutely but it's also an inherency when you attribute quality to any group of a nationality/time period/region making the Best of music. And I'm not implying you're a deviant or anything for having your opinion, I'm just kind of leveling that there's an inescapable thing in consumption when we all reach that specificity of desire, y'know? Me being a non-black American who's so infatuated with grime, I obviously am an enthusiast but there's a bit of an imbalance when one appraises the secret quality material as an outsider with all the power trips involved!

But no I'm absolutely being cheeky and fatalistic here, for the record. Sorry if it comes across like I'm making slanderous remarks that I wouldn't throw at myself.
 
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